[nfbmi-talk] Fw: A History of Muslim Inventions.

Thu Jul 7 11:19:55 UTC 2011

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Joe
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Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: A History of Muslim Inventions.

>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Claude Everett" <ceverett at dslextreme.com>
> To: "'Blind Democracy Discussion List'" <blind-democracy at octothorp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 3:43 PM
> Subject: RE: A History of Muslim Inventions.
>
>
> Extremism and a religion of declarations of truths which are taught to be
> unequivocal is a prescription of intolerance.
>
>
> Regards,
> Claude Everett
> Everyone has a disability, some are more aware of it than others.
> "The ruling class makes the wars, the working class fights them"
> -Eugene Debs
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-democracy-bounces at octothorp.org
> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounces at octothorp.org] On Behalf Of joe harcz
> Comcast
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:32 AM
> To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
> Subject: Re: A History of Muslim Inventions.
>
> Nor am I ...
>
> All religions and all religiounists have good and bad characteristics that
> are demonstrable in the historic record. And even in our daily
> inter-changes.
>
> Alice certainly can speak for herself, but I do think that extreme,
> fundamentalists of all stripes whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu et
> al become the problem and ironically bely ultimately wht they are trying 
> to
> promote in the first place.
>
> Joe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Claude Everett" <ceverett at dslextreme.com>
> To: "'Blind Democracy Discussion List'" <blind-democracy at octothorp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:49 PM
> Subject: RE: A History of Muslim Inventions.
>
>
> I am not just speaking of "Christians"!
>
>
> Regards,
> Claude Everett
> Everyone has a disability, some are more aware of it than others.
> "The ruling class makes the wars, the working class fights them"
> -Eugene Debs
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-democracy-bounces at octothorp.org
> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounces at octothorp.org] On Behalf Of alice dampman
> humel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:46 AM
> To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
> Subject: Re: A History of Muslim Inventions.
>
> but you can't tar all with the same brush, and anyway, it's the "radical
> right" portion of this sadly increasing group's designation that creates 
> the
> problem. They perform better and more miracles than their  own proclaimed
> lord and savior: he only turned water into wine, but they turn black into
> white, day into night, love into hatred, "love your neighbor" into hideous
> bigotry and xenophobia, forgiveness into damnation, and much much more all
> before lunch on any random Tuesday.
>    and popularity is a pretty unreliable yardstick with which to measure
> the value of almost anything: look how popular McDonald's is, for example,
> and it's nothing but pure poison, not to mention unpalatable slop. But how
> many gazillion sold to date?
> Alice
> alicedh at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Claude Everett" <ceverett at dslextreme.com>
> To: "'Blind Democracy Discussion List'"
> <blind-democracy at octothorp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:28 PM
> Subject: RE: A History of Muslim Inventions.
>
>
> Yes, you may be correct; however, the radical right of all mainstream
> "religions", have a taught and unspoken  intolerance which in my mind is
> abhorrent and anathema to what you speak.  And unfortunately these 
> branches
> of these religions  are growing in popularity.
>
>
> Regards,
> Claude Everett
> Everyone has a disability, some are more aware of it than others.
> "The ruling class makes the wars, the working class fights them"
> -Eugene Debs
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounces at octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Charles 
> Crawford
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:17 AM
> To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
> Subject: Re: A History of Muslim Inventions.
>
> Hi Carl,
>
>         I cannot resist pointing out that your interpretation of religion
> and its destructive influence in all its forms is highly doctrinaire and 
> in
> my opinion, misses the underlying value of faith.  Surely a faith that
> maintains acceptance of others from whence they come is hardly negative. 
> In
> fact the essence of Christianity as I understand it is to not judge others
> unless we are willing to be so judged ourselves.  The libberating power of
> this position in my view is just very fantastic.  So while I accept what 
> you
> say as your opinion, I am hopeful that the day will come when you find God
> to be real and loving enough to have let you do your thing with a constant
> invitation for you to come home to him.
>
>         That is the kind of faith that I wish for all and the kind of 
> faith
> that you have pointed out to be so destructive is faith used as an excuse 
> to
> accomplish the self serving interest of those who hold the strings.  that 
> is
> not the faith I know.
>
> --   Charlie.
>
> At 04:07 PM 7/3/2011, you wrote:
>>Roger,
>>Well, you got a jump on me.  I had to spend years trying to be a good
>>God fearing Christian before coming to the logical conclusion that Make
>>Believe is make believe whether we are pretending there is a Santa
>>Clause, a Tooth Fairy or a God.
>>But as I said, I came to this conclusion from within the church.
>>At
>>one point I decided that the church was ineffectual because people were
>>not truly committed to their beliefs.  So I became Baptized in the Holy
>>Spirit, discovered that I could speak in tongues and had a few very
>>distinct Visions.  These were interesting years, but finally I came to
>>a place where the contradictions far outweighed the explanations.
>>My dad figured it out by the time he was 10 or 11.  My wife, raised
>>Catholic, had it figured by 16.  Me?  I'm a slow learner.
>>But there is no denying God's influence on Mankind, whether we invented
>>Him or He invented us.  Worshiping a dictator, a super being, a jealous
>>God who will tolerate no descent sets us up to seek out similar
>>leaders.  The undercurrents of religion are everywhere.  And they are
>>not constructive as folks want to believe.  They are destructive,
>>tearing us apart and setting neighbor upon neighbor.  Not for any
>>rational reason.  But because our neighbor does not believe exactly as
>>we do.
>>
>>Carl Jarvis
>>
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