[Blind-Rollers] Blind-Rollers Digest, Vol 110, Issue 8
Juan Gil
juan2617 at gmail.com
Mon Jul 29 15:40:58 UTC 2019
Good morning and good afternoon my name is Juan Carlos gil I am not a power user but I have used a power chair in the past I feel the companies to give the option to have attendant control in some cases it’s great but in some cases is dangerous and I say that with our earnest because of the fact that your site and your position in your chair is your position when there is an attendant above your eyesight pushing your chair somebody that might be a CNA or a LPN or just a friend that has had really know how many hours of training using a joystick due to the fact that each chair has its own specific characteristics when it has been made it takes a wheelchair user sometimes two minutes sometimes five hours sometimes two months to get a handle of their own wheelchair not giving that control up to an attendant that is a scary proposition nonetheless it is easy but there is lots of risks involved and at the same time sometimes companies for the liability when they know that there is a secondary joystick involved they might not except liability due to the fact that it’s not the wheelchair owner that is moving the wheelchair but it’s moved by an adnetnedet
I’m very much aware that the Nfb policy as well as the Owen M policy is to be as independent as possible and I am so happy for that but me as the wheelchair visually impaired user once I give my independence up to an attendant I lose control and I don’t know what’s happening that’s why I feel in our earnest except if I have dexterity problems with my hands and I’m not strong enough that’s why I feel that if you were able to push in a manual chair in you have dicks 30 problems or you are not strong enough fine being a power chair but if you could be in a manual chair or in a manual type of wheelchair using power wheels I were up for that 100% more than a power chair due to the fact that you would know constantly what is happening in your in full control and as a visually impaired user you do lose your ability to know your surroundings using a power chair instead of a manual chair
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> 1. Re: denial (maureensmusic at comcast.net)
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> 3. Re: denial (maureensmusic at comcast.net)
> 4. a new development (Lauren Merryfield)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 08:30:59 -0500
> From: <maureensmusic at comcast.net>
> To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
> Message-ID: <000901d54548$b29f64d0$17de2e70$@comcast.net>
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> Hi
> Yes, the attendant control is on the back of the chair.
> Maureen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lauren
> Merryfield via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 10:37 PM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lauren Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Hi,
> Are you able to get two joysticks on one power chair, one for you and one
> for the attendant?
> Thanks,
> Lauren
>
> Consider the flowers of a garden: though differing in kind, color, form
> and shape, yet, inasmuch as they are refreshed by the waters of one spring,
> revived by the breath of one wind, invigorated by the rays of one sun, this
> diversity increaseth their charm, and addeth unto their beauty. ....
> 'Abdu'l-Baha
> Advice from my cats:meow when you feel like it. My audiobook is available on
> Audible.com.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of maureen
> Pranghofer via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 1:36 PM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: maureensmusic at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Hi Lauren
> Just keep pushing. The first time I asked for attendant control on my chair
> it was denied because they said it was a convenience. I wrote a letter and
> sent it with the vendor stuff and then it was accepted and the last time
> around when I got the latest of my 4th power chairs in 2016 they didn't even
> question the request.
> Maureen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Becky
> Frankeberger via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:26 AM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Becky Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Keep up the good fight Lauren. Don't let anything stop you. "if God be for
> you, who can be against you."
>
> Warmly,
> Becky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lauren
> Merryfield via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 2:01 PM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lauren Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com>
> Subject: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Hi,
>
> I got a denial from my insurance, United Healthcare. They said my dr.
> hadn't shown that a power chair was medically necessary. They also said the
> coding was wrong and I needed a smaller chair than the heavy duty one
> requested. So the wheelchair company is submitting it again with revised
> coding. So we'll see what happens next. They're requesting a smaller chair
> this time, for one thing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lauren
>
>
>
> Consider the flowers of a garden: though differing in kind, color, form
> and shape, yet, inasmuch as they are refreshed by the waters of one spring,
> revived by the breath of one wind, invigorated by the rays of one sun, this
> diversity increaseth their charm, and addeth unto their beauty. ....
> 'Abdu'l-Baha
>
> Advice from my cats:meow when you feel like it. My audiobook is available on
> Audible.com.
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:48:12 -0700
> From: "Lauren Merryfield" <lauren at catlines.com>
> To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
> Message-ID: <012e01d54585$c5c3d450$514b7cf0$@catlines.com>
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>
> Hi,
> But do you also have a control for you to use?
> Thanks,
> Lauren
>
>
> Advice from my cats:meow when you feel like it. My audiobook is available on
> Audible.com.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of maureen
> Pranghofer via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 6:31 AM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: maureensmusic at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Hi
> Yes, the attendant control is on the back of the chair.
> Maureen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lauren
> Merryfield via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 10:37 PM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lauren Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Hi,
> Are you able to get two joysticks on one power chair, one for you and one
> for the attendant?
> Thanks,
> Lauren
>
> Consider the flowers of a garden: though differing in kind, color, form
> and shape, yet, inasmuch as they are refreshed by the waters of one spring,
> revived by the breath of one wind, invigorated by the rays of one sun, this
> diversity increaseth their charm, and addeth unto their beauty. ....
> 'Abdu'l-Baha
> Advice from my cats:meow when you feel like it. My audiobook is available on
> Audible.com.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of maureen
> Pranghofer via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 1:36 PM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: maureensmusic at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Hi Lauren
> Just keep pushing. The first time I asked for attendant control on my chair
> it was denied because they said it was a convenience. I wrote a letter and
> sent it with the vendor stuff and then it was accepted and the last time
> around when I got the latest of my 4th power chairs in 2016 they didn't even
> question the request.
> Maureen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Becky
> Frankeberger via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:26 AM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Becky Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Keep up the good fight Lauren. Don't let anything stop you. "if God be for
> you, who can be against you."
>
> Warmly,
> Becky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lauren
> Merryfield via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 2:01 PM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lauren Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com>
> Subject: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Hi,
>
> I got a denial from my insurance, United Healthcare. They said my dr.
> hadn't shown that a power chair was medically necessary. They also said the
> coding was wrong and I needed a smaller chair than the heavy duty one
> requested. So the wheelchair company is submitting it again with revised
> coding. So we'll see what happens next. They're requesting a smaller chair
> this time, for one thing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lauren
>
>
>
> Consider the flowers of a garden: though differing in kind, color, form
> and shape, yet, inasmuch as they are refreshed by the waters of one spring,
> revived by the breath of one wind, invigorated by the rays of one sun, this
> diversity increaseth their charm, and addeth unto their beauty. ....
> 'Abdu'l-Baha
>
> Advice from my cats:meow when you feel like it. My audiobook is available on
> Audible.com.
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 21:08:16 -0500
> From: <maureensmusic at comcast.net>
> To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
> Message-ID: <004b01d545b2$7c6ad8d0$75408a70$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi
> Yes I have a joy stick I use and when an attendant drives using the back one
> mine doesn't operate.
> Maureen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lauren
> Merryfield via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 3:48 PM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lauren Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Hi,
> But do you also have a control for you to use?
> Thanks,
> Lauren
>
>
> Advice from my cats:meow when you feel like it. My audiobook is available on
> Audible.com.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of maureen
> Pranghofer via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 6:31 AM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: maureensmusic at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Hi
> Yes, the attendant control is on the back of the chair.
> Maureen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lauren
> Merryfield via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 10:37 PM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lauren Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Hi,
> Are you able to get two joysticks on one power chair, one for you and one
> for the attendant?
> Thanks,
> Lauren
>
> Consider the flowers of a garden: though differing in kind, color, form
> and shape, yet, inasmuch as they are refreshed by the waters of one spring,
> revived by the breath of one wind, invigorated by the rays of one sun, this
> diversity increaseth their charm, and addeth unto their beauty. ....
> 'Abdu'l-Baha
> Advice from my cats:meow when you feel like it. My audiobook is available on
> Audible.com.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of maureen
> Pranghofer via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 1:36 PM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: maureensmusic at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Hi Lauren
> Just keep pushing. The first time I asked for attendant control on my chair
> it was denied because they said it was a convenience. I wrote a letter and
> sent it with the vendor stuff and then it was accepted and the last time
> around when I got the latest of my 4th power chairs in 2016 they didn't even
> question the request.
> Maureen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Becky
> Frankeberger via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:26 AM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Becky Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Keep up the good fight Lauren. Don't let anything stop you. "if God be for
> you, who can be against you."
>
> Warmly,
> Becky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lauren
> Merryfield via Blind-Rollers
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 2:01 PM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lauren Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com>
> Subject: [Blind-Rollers] denial
>
> Hi,
>
> I got a denial from my insurance, United Healthcare. They said my dr.
> hadn't shown that a power chair was medically necessary. They also said the
> coding was wrong and I needed a smaller chair than the heavy duty one
> requested. So the wheelchair company is submitting it again with revised
> coding. So we'll see what happens next. They're requesting a smaller chair
> this time, for one thing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lauren
>
>
>
> Consider the flowers of a garden: though differing in kind, color, form
> and shape, yet, inasmuch as they are refreshed by the waters of one spring,
> revived by the breath of one wind, invigorated by the rays of one sun, this
> diversity increaseth their charm, and addeth unto their beauty. ....
> 'Abdu'l-Baha
>
> Advice from my cats:meow when you feel like it. My audiobook is available on
> Audible.com.
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 01:27:08 -0700
> From: "Lauren Merryfield" <lauren at catlines.com>
> To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Blind-Rollers] a new development
> Message-ID: <01ce01d545e7$6a112c90$3e3385b0$@catlines.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi,
>
> Imagine my surprise when the escalation dpt of my insurance called me. The
> company where I'm getting my chair put in an escalation because it's been so
> long since we started this process. She asked me quite a few questions and
> then said it could be 14 days! Her medical director approved the chair! So
> we'll see!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lauren
>
>
>
> Consider the flowers of a garden: though differing in kind, color, form
> and shape, yet, inasmuch as they are refreshed by the waters of one spring,
> revived by the breath of one wind, invigorated by the rays of one sun, this
> diversity increaseth their charm, and addeth unto their beauty. ....
> 'Abdu'l-Baha
>
> Advice from my cats:meow when you feel like it. My audiobook is available on
> Audible.com.
>
>
>
>
>
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