[blindlaw] Concerning the LSAT:

Tue Jun 21 23:50:09 UTC 2011

What are the general facts of Stephanie's case?
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From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Concerning the LSAT:


> What about Stephanie's Case? RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dittman, Robert" <rdittman at stmarytx.edu>
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Concerning the LSAT:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am responding to the LSAT issue a little late, but I do think some 
> clarity of the argument is in order.
>
> The law suit says that it is impossible for a blind person to "take" the 
> LSAT and therefore cannot get into law school.  This is not true as I and 
> many others who are completely blind have taken the LSAT.  Was it easy, 
> nope, were the accommodations what I requested, Nope, but that is a 
> separate issue from the exam itself.
>
> I believe the LSAT is a valued exam, and that dealing with the 
> accommodations given for the exam are the core of the issue at hand.
>
> But, I did not write the complaint nor will I say that a person should not 
> be able to bring their concerns before the court.
>
> I do have some questions.
>
> First the plaintiff said they applied to three law schools, and that they 
> were "top tier".  Well, what score did the plaintiff get on their LSAT? 
> Was it close, within a point or two?  How did the plaintiff do on the 
> questions that are not the puzzles?  Much of the exam is perfectly 
> understandable by a blind person.  Perhaps there is another reason why 
> they were not accepted. Isn't the reasons for a lack of admission closed 
> to enquiry?
>
> Secondly why only three law schools? When I applied I applied to my school 
> and others.  I was accepted into my school of choice on a provisional 
> program and upon completion of that program gained full admittance.  Did 
> the plaintiff receive an offer to enter the school under such a program? 
> Did the plaintiff make it known to the school that they had the desire to 
> apply? When I applied I made sure they knew my name, and even sat in on a 
> class or two and met with students, professors, and other staff so that 
> when my application hit their desk, I am sure I was remembered.  However, 
> given all this it was very hard for me and countless others to get into 
> law school. The selection committees look at the whole person so in the 
> words of one professor, "There has to be something that says to us, you 
> belong in the profession of law."  What did the rest of this person's 
> package look like?
>
>
> So, In my humble opinion, the test itself isn't bad and most likely 
> prevents people from entering a program that they are ill-equipped to 
> enter.  I am not saying that in this issue that is what happened, that is 
> for the court to rule upon.  I am saying that placing all of the blame at 
> the feet of the NCBE or the LSAC, or the ABA isn't very fair either.
>
> With respect,
>
>
> Robert D. Dittman
> Student Attorney
> St. Mary's University, Center for Legal and Social Justice (Civil Clinic)
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> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 3:11 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Concerning the LSAT:
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> I suspect Stephanie's case will be heard by the supreme court of these 
> United States, and she will prevail! Beth, Maybe you should consider 
> becoming a lawyer, because their many other lawyers who've overcame 
> discrimination, and are practicing law Today! The least you can do Beth, 
> is Ask some one on this list what prerecs you'd have to take, then take 
> them, then mabe by the time you're ready to inter law school, the LSAT 
> will be accessible to us as blind people! RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Concerning the LSAT:
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>> I'm not trying to discourage, but the fact and reality is that the
>> LSAT is what it is.  It's worse than having to do quant comps.
>> Remember those things on the SAT?  The only difference is that having
>> accommodations on this test is flagged as though it had inappropriate 
>> material on it.
>> Beth
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2011, at 9:18 AM, "RJ Sandefur"
>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Beth, You should not discorage him from taking the LSAT!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Concerning the LSAT:
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>>>
>>>> Hi, Michael.
>>>> Read the NPR story on the LSAT student applicant who couldn't get
>>>> into law school.  You might want to give this LSAT stuff a second
>>>> look before you take it, and be sure the Canadian Bar accepts
>>>> accommodated tests without a red flag.
>>>> Good luck
>>>> Beth Taurasi
>>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Michael McKay <mgmckay1963 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Greetings! all:
>>>>>
>>>>> My name is Michael McKay. I live in canada, and am blind. I look
>>>>> forword to participating in this discussion group as much as I am
>>>>> able, and also contributing as well. I have applied to the
>>>>> University of New Brunswick Faculty of Law, at Ludlow Hall on UNB
>>>>> Fredericton New Brunswick's Campus. I was informed by the admission
>>>>> office that there is an enterence exam called an LSAT, that one
>>>>> does online.  I at this present time do not have access to a Credit
>>>>> Card, so I am wondering if there is another way to pay the cost of
>>>>> the exam. I need to have all the pre-enterence stuff completed no
>>>>> later then the end of March 2012.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully!
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Michael G. McKay
>>>>> *
>>>>> *70 Grove Crescent,*
>>>>> *Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario.*
>>>>> *Canada. P6B 5V4*
>>>>> E-Mail: mgmckay1963 at gmail.com
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