[blindlaw] Concerning the LSAT:

Wed Jun 22 00:34:01 UTC 2011

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Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Concerning the LSAT:


> What are the general facts of Stephanie's case?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Concerning the LSAT:
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>> What about Stephanie's Case? RJ
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dittman, Robert" <rdittman at stmarytx.edu>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Concerning the LSAT:
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am responding to the LSAT issue a little late, but I do think some 
>> clarity of the argument is in order.
>>
>> The law suit says that it is impossible for a blind person to "take" the 
>> LSAT and therefore cannot get into law school.  This is not true as I and 
>> many others who are completely blind have taken the LSAT.  Was it easy, 
>> nope, were the accommodations what I requested, Nope, but that is a 
>> separate issue from the exam itself.
>>
>> I believe the LSAT is a valued exam, and that dealing with the 
>> accommodations given for the exam are the core of the issue at hand.
>>
>> But, I did not write the complaint nor will I say that a person should 
>> not be able to bring their concerns before the court.
>>
>> I do have some questions.
>>
>> First the plaintiff said they applied to three law schools, and that they 
>> were "top tier".  Well, what score did the plaintiff get on their LSAT? 
>> Was it close, within a point or two?  How did the plaintiff do on the 
>> questions that are not the puzzles?  Much of the exam is perfectly 
>> understandable by a blind person.  Perhaps there is another reason why 
>> they were not accepted. Isn't the reasons for a lack of admission closed 
>> to enquiry?
>>
>> Secondly why only three law schools? When I applied I applied to my 
>> school and others.  I was accepted into my school of choice on a 
>> provisional program and upon completion of that program gained full 
>> admittance.  Did the plaintiff receive an offer to enter the school under 
>> such a program? Did the plaintiff make it known to the school that they 
>> had the desire to apply? When I applied I made sure they knew my name, 
>> and even sat in on a class or two and met with students, professors, and 
>> other staff so that when my application hit their desk, I am sure I was 
>> remembered.  However, given all this it was very hard for me and 
>> countless others to get into law school. The selection committees look at 
>> the whole person so in the words of one professor, "There has to be 
>> something that says to us, you belong in the profession of law."  What 
>> did the rest of this person's package look like?
>>
>>
>> So, In my humble opinion, the test itself isn't bad and most likely 
>> prevents people from entering a program that they are ill-equipped to 
>> enter.  I am not saying that in this issue that is what happened, that is 
>> for the court to rule upon.  I am saying that placing all of the blame at 
>> the feet of the NCBE or the LSAC, or the ABA isn't very fair either.
>>
>> With respect,
>>
>>
>> Robert D. Dittman
>> Student Attorney
>> St. Mary's University, Center for Legal and Social Justice (Civil Clinic)
>> 2507 N.W. 36th Street
>> San Antonio, TX 78228-3918
>> Phone: (210) 431-5760 fax: (210) 431-5700
>> Email: rdittman at mail.stmarytx.edu
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 3:11 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Concerning the LSAT:
>>
>> I suspect Stephanie's case will be heard by the supreme court of these 
>> United States, and she will prevail! Beth, Maybe you should consider 
>> becoming a lawyer, because their many other lawyers who've overcame 
>> discrimination, and are practicing law Today! The least you can do Beth, 
>> is Ask some one on this list what prerecs you'd have to take, then take 
>> them, then mabe by the time you're ready to inter law school, the LSAT 
>> will be accessible to us as blind people! RJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 4:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Concerning the LSAT:
>>
>>
>>> I'm not trying to discourage, but the fact and reality is that the
>>> LSAT is what it is.  It's worse than having to do quant comps.
>>> Remember those things on the SAT?  The only difference is that having
>>> accommodations on this test is flagged as though it had inappropriate 
>>> material on it.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>
>>> On Jun 19, 2011, at 9:18 AM, "RJ Sandefur"
>>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Beth, You should not discorage him from taking the LSAT!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Concerning the LSAT:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Michael.
>>>>> Read the NPR story on the LSAT student applicant who couldn't get
>>>>> into law school.  You might want to give this LSAT stuff a second
>>>>> look before you take it, and be sure the Canadian Bar accepts
>>>>> accommodated tests without a red flag.
>>>>> Good luck
>>>>> Beth Taurasi
>>>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Michael McKay <mgmckay1963 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings! all:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My name is Michael McKay. I live in canada, and am blind. I look
>>>>>> forword to participating in this discussion group as much as I am
>>>>>> able, and also contributing as well. I have applied to the
>>>>>> University of New Brunswick Faculty of Law, at Ludlow Hall on UNB
>>>>>> Fredericton New Brunswick's Campus. I was informed by the admission
>>>>>> office that there is an enterence exam called an LSAT, that one
>>>>>> does online.  I at this present time do not have access to a Credit
>>>>>> Card, so I am wondering if there is another way to pay the cost of
>>>>>> the exam. I need to have all the pre-enterence stuff completed no
>>>>>> later then the end of March 2012.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Respectfully!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Michael G. McKay
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> *70 Grove Crescent,*
>>>>>> *Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario.*
>>>>>> *Canada. P6B 5V4*
>>>>>> E-Mail: mgmckay1963 at gmail.com
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