[blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games

Thu May 14 01:25:00 UTC 2015

Mike,

138 is definitely not a good score.  To give you and everyone else on this
list a better idea of how bad it is, the national average is 151, and the
median score at DePaul University College of Law, which is ranked 121 in the
country, is 154.  Therefore, while the LSAT isn't the sole admission factor,
you really need to get at least into the low 150s to have a fighting chance
of acceptance to a decent law school.

As far as I know, there aren't any LSAT tutors who specialize in teaching
the blind.  When I took the Kaplan class, I was hoping my teacher would help
me, but he was able to provide only general guidance.  Fortunately, I
figured out how to tackle each game type, though I could never get through
all four games in the allotted time.

Please keep in mind that the LSAT is a skills-based test.  As a result, the
trouble you are having may mean that you have a hard time spotting key
deductions.  If you wish, please feel free to contact me off-list at
mnowicki4 at iCloud.com to discuss your unique situation.

Best,

Michal

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games

Hi Guys:

I have been following this thread and I too am taking the LSAT in June.  I
took it in February and did 138.  I thought that was fabulous but I guess
the law schools don't like that score.  As far as the logic games, I found
that even though I tried to use excel, braille display, and also braille
writers, etc, I found that II still was getting it all jumbled up in my
mind; I've been practicing since last january and I haven't gotten any
better at it.  I think what Nicole and I are looking for is very specific
followable instructions to tackle such games.  Are there tutors out there
who specialize in teaching blind persons these puzzles?  someone like a
shrink who understands how the human brain works?  I am actually considering
just guessing "d" for all the game questions; I'm bound to hit on a couple
of them just by chance.  My theory is that the logic reasoning is two
sections of the test; therefore between those two sections and the reading
section that should get me at least 140 or slightly better and then let the
chips fall where they may.

What do you guys think of this?  Is it possible that since totally blind
persons from birth can only visualize in two dimensions, this is the
detriment when it comes to these games?

Please advise.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kelby Carlson via blindlaw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 6:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games

Nicole,

Michal is right about this.  As much as you may hate to hear this, it's
probably better to hold off on taking the test until September.  I would
actually begin the accommodation process right now; it is literally never
too early to start in this case.
You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you think you
might need, and in very specific detail.  I made this mistake and was not
able to use the accommodations for the logic games that I had planned.
Fortunately I was still able to obtain a reasonable score, but in many ways
I was lucky.

As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's.  I also had some luck using
symbols on a braille display.  IT will take a good deal of experimentation
and practice.  Use lots of practice tests with different problems and
groupings.  See if things click, and don't be afraid to try different
methods with different sorts of sets.

K.

----- Original Message -----
From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 13 May
2015 18:10:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games

Hi Nicole,

When I took the LSAT last year, I used a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet to
sketch out the games.  I chose Excel over tactile objects because I quickly
discovered that it would be much easier to manipulate the various conditions
that way.

For grouping games, I recommend you use columns for the groups, as those are
the stable elements in the game, and that you place the members of each
group in the cells below the appropriate group headings.  I also recommend a
separate row for all the rules.  The key to success on logic games is
working out a strategy that works for you, so feel free to experiment.

You can be certain that LSAC will not let you skip logic games, so don't
even try taking the easy way out.  In fact, I was very fortunate to get all
the accommodations I requested, as many blind test takers had major
difficulties getting the accommodations they needed; LSAC does not like to
work with test takers with disabilities to insure that their needs are met.
With that in mind, I'm afraid you won't be able to take the LSAT in June,
since you don't yet know how to tackle logic games and thus are not in a
position to request specific accommodations.  You can't, for instance,
decide that Excel works best for you a week before the test and show up on
the day of the exam expecting to be allowed to use the program; each
accommodation must be preapproved by LSAC well in advance, and the process
for requesting accommodations can be very time-consuming.  As a matter of
fact, the deadline for the June test may have already passed.

Please don't hesitate to contact me off-list at mnowicki4 at iCloud.com if you
have further questions.  Good luck!

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
Askins via blindlaw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:05 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Cc: Nicole Askins
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games

Greetings all,

I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for giving me
information about it.
I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and can not seem
to get a handle on the Grouping Games.  since some of you may have
experience with this test, please advise.
1.  Did anyone have this section of the test omitted?
2.  how did you create the diagrams if not omitted?

Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole Askins
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