[blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games

Thu May 14 02:54:52 UTC 2015

Good evening all, these are all great suggestions and I will take all of
this under advisement. However, I have a great deal of accommodations
already provided including a scribe, youth of my laptop with zoom text and
a CCTV. My question simply was about the grouping games as they seem to be
more complex. I wanted to know if there was a better way to approach these
games. I have no trouble with ordering games nor do I have trouble with any
other section of the test. I simply wanted to know if other low vision
people had equal trouble. I guess, my question really is, or the logic
games fair and do they really assess a law students ability or just their
disability.
On May 13, 2015 9:26 PM, "Michal Nowicki via blindlaw" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Mike,
>
> 138 is definitely not a good score.  To give you and everyone else on this
> list a better idea of how bad it is, the national average is 151, and the
> median score at DePaul University College of Law, which is ranked 121 in
> the
> country, is 154.  Therefore, while the LSAT isn't the sole admission
> factor,
> you really need to get at least into the low 150s to have a fighting chance
> of acceptance to a decent law school.
>
> As far as I know, there aren't any LSAT tutors who specialize in teaching
> the blind.  When I took the Kaplan class, I was hoping my teacher would
> help
> me, but he was able to provide only general guidance.  Fortunately, I
> figured out how to tackle each game type, though I could never get through
> all four games in the allotted time.
>
> Please keep in mind that the LSAT is a skills-based test.  As a result, the
> trouble you are having may mean that you have a hard time spotting key
> deductions.  If you wish, please feel free to contact me off-list at
> mnowicki4 at iCloud.com to discuss your unique situation.
>
> Best,
>
> Michal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of mike
> mcglashon via blindlaw
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:17 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Cc: mike mcglashon
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> I have been following this thread and I too am taking the LSAT in June.  I
> took it in February and did 138.  I thought that was fabulous but I guess
> the law schools don't like that score.  As far as the logic games, I found
> that even though I tried to use excel, braille display, and also braille
> writers, etc, I found that II still was getting it all jumbled up in my
> mind; I've been practicing since last january and I haven't gotten any
> better at it.  I think what Nicole and I are looking for is very specific
> followable instructions to tackle such games.  Are there tutors out there
> who specialize in teaching blind persons these puzzles?  someone like a
> shrink who understands how the human brain works?  I am actually
> considering
> just guessing "d" for all the game questions; I'm bound to hit on a couple
> of them just by chance.  My theory is that the logic reasoning is two
> sections of the test; therefore between those two sections and the reading
> section that should get me at least 140 or slightly better and then let the
> chips fall where they may.
>
> What do you guys think of this?  Is it possible that since totally blind
> persons from birth can only visualize in two dimensions, this is the
> detriment when it comes to these games?
>
> Please advise.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kelby Carlson via blindlaw
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 6:51 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Cc: Kelby Carlson
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
>
> Nicole,
>
> Michal is right about this.  As much as you may hate to hear this, it's
> probably better to hold off on taking the test until September.  I would
> actually begin the accommodation process right now; it is literally never
> too early to start in this case.
> You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you think you
> might need, and in very specific detail.  I made this mistake and was not
> able to use the accommodations for the logic games that I had planned.
> Fortunately I was still able to obtain a reasonable score, but in many ways
> I was lucky.
>
> As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's.  I also had some luck using
> symbols on a braille display.  IT will take a good deal of experimentation
> and practice.  Use lots of practice tests with different problems and
> groupings.  See if things click, and don't be afraid to try different
> methods with different sorts of sets.
>
> K.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 13 May
> 2015 18:10:54 -0500
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
>
> Hi Nicole,
>
> When I took the LSAT last year, I used a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet to
> sketch out the games.  I chose Excel over tactile objects because I quickly
> discovered that it would be much easier to manipulate the various
> conditions
> that way.
>
> For grouping games, I recommend you use columns for the groups, as those
> are
> the stable elements in the game, and that you place the members of each
> group in the cells below the appropriate group headings.  I also recommend
> a
> separate row for all the rules.  The key to success on logic games is
> working out a strategy that works for you, so feel free to experiment.
>
> You can be certain that LSAC will not let you skip logic games, so don't
> even try taking the easy way out.  In fact, I was very fortunate to get all
> the accommodations I requested, as many blind test takers had major
> difficulties getting the accommodations they needed; LSAC does not like to
> work with test takers with disabilities to insure that their needs are met.
> With that in mind, I'm afraid you won't be able to take the LSAT in June,
> since you don't yet know how to tackle logic games and thus are not in a
> position to request specific accommodations.  You can't, for instance,
> decide that Excel works best for you a week before the test and show up on
> the day of the exam expecting to be allowed to use the program; each
> accommodation must be preapproved by LSAC well in advance, and the process
> for requesting accommodations can be very time-consuming.  As a matter of
> fact, the deadline for the June test may have already passed.
>
> Please don't hesitate to contact me off-list at mnowicki4 at iCloud.com if
> you
> have further questions.  Good luck!
>
> Michal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
> Askins via blindlaw
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:05 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Nicole Askins
> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
>
> Greetings all,
>
>
> I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for giving me
> information about it.
> I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and can not seem
> to get a handle on the Grouping Games.  since some of you may have
> experience with this test, please advise.
> 1.  Did anyone have this section of the test omitted?
> 2.  how did you create the diagrams if not omitted?
>
> Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole Askins
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