[blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games

Thu May 14 12:32:15 UTC 2015

Thank You Christy, I really needed to know that it was it at least,
possible for individuals who are blind or have low vision to do well.
On May 14, 2015 8:02 AM, "Kristi Wilkins via blindlaw" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> I don't think anyone can truly comment about whether the logic games test
> what they are supposed to test, but I can tell you that I know at least one
> completely blind friend who scored a 170 on the LSAT. That is a top score.
> I don't know what strategies she used, but I at least know it is possible
> for a completely blind taker to do very well. I would say just keep
> practicing.
>
> Kristi
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 13, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Nicole Askins via blindlaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Good evening all, these are all great suggestions and I will take all of
> > this under advisement. However, I have a great deal of accommodations
> > already provided including a scribe, youth of my laptop with zoom text
> and
> > a CCTV. My question simply was about the grouping games as they seem to
> be
> > more complex. I wanted to know if there was a better way to approach
> these
> > games. I have no trouble with ordering games nor do I have trouble with
> any
> > other section of the test. I simply wanted to know if other low vision
> > people had equal trouble. I guess, my question really is, or the logic
> > games fair and do they really assess a law students ability or just their
> > disability.
> > On May 13, 2015 9:26 PM, "Michal Nowicki via blindlaw" <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> 138 is definitely not a good score.  To give you and everyone else on
> this
> >> list a better idea of how bad it is, the national average is 151, and
> the
> >> median score at DePaul University College of Law, which is ranked 121 in
> >> the
> >> country, is 154.  Therefore, while the LSAT isn't the sole admission
> >> factor,
> >> you really need to get at least into the low 150s to have a fighting
> chance
> >> of acceptance to a decent law school.
> >>
> >> As far as I know, there aren't any LSAT tutors who specialize in
> teaching
> >> the blind.  When I took the Kaplan class, I was hoping my teacher would
> >> help
> >> me, but he was able to provide only general guidance.  Fortunately, I
> >> figured out how to tackle each game type, though I could never get
> through
> >> all four games in the allotted time.
> >>
> >> Please keep in mind that the LSAT is a skills-based test.  As a result,
> the
> >> trouble you are having may mean that you have a hard time spotting key
> >> deductions.  If you wish, please feel free to contact me off-list at
> >> mnowicki4 at iCloud.com to discuss your unique situation.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Michal
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of mike
> >> mcglashon via blindlaw
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:17 PM
> >> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> >> Cc: mike mcglashon
> >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
> >>
> >> Hi Guys:
> >>
> >> I have been following this thread and I too am taking the LSAT in
> June.  I
> >> took it in February and did 138.  I thought that was fabulous but I
> guess
> >> the law schools don't like that score.  As far as the logic games, I
> found
> >> that even though I tried to use excel, braille display, and also braille
> >> writers, etc, I found that II still was getting it all jumbled up in my
> >> mind; I've been practicing since last january and I haven't gotten any
> >> better at it.  I think what Nicole and I are looking for is very
> specific
> >> followable instructions to tackle such games.  Are there tutors out
> there
> >> who specialize in teaching blind persons these puzzles?  someone like a
> >> shrink who understands how the human brain works?  I am actually
> >> considering
> >> just guessing "d" for all the game questions; I'm bound to hit on a
> couple
> >> of them just by chance.  My theory is that the logic reasoning is two
> >> sections of the test; therefore between those two sections and the
> reading
> >> section that should get me at least 140 or slightly better and then let
> the
> >> chips fall where they may.
> >>
> >> What do you guys think of this?  Is it possible that since totally blind
> >> persons from birth can only visualize in two dimensions, this is the
> >> detriment when it comes to these games?
> >>
> >> Please advise.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Kelby Carlson via blindlaw
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 6:51 PM
> >> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> >> Cc: Kelby Carlson
> >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
> >>
> >> Nicole,
> >>
> >> Michal is right about this.  As much as you may hate to hear this, it's
> >> probably better to hold off on taking the test until September.  I would
> >> actually begin the accommodation process right now; it is literally
> never
> >> too early to start in this case.
> >> You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you think
> you
> >> might need, and in very specific detail.  I made this mistake and was
> not
> >> able to use the accommodations for the logic games that I had planned.
> >> Fortunately I was still able to obtain a reasonable score, but in many
> ways
> >> I was lucky.
> >>
> >> As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's.  I also had some luck using
> >> symbols on a braille display.  IT will take a good deal of
> experimentation
> >> and practice.  Use lots of practice tests with different problems and
> >> groupings.  See if things click, and don't be afraid to try different
> >> methods with different sorts of sets.
> >>
> >> K.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 13
> May
> >> 2015 18:10:54 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
> >>
> >> Hi Nicole,
> >>
> >> When I took the LSAT last year, I used a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet to
> >> sketch out the games.  I chose Excel over tactile objects because I
> quickly
> >> discovered that it would be much easier to manipulate the various
> >> conditions
> >> that way.
> >>
> >> For grouping games, I recommend you use columns for the groups, as those
> >> are
> >> the stable elements in the game, and that you place the members of each
> >> group in the cells below the appropriate group headings.  I also
> recommend
> >> a
> >> separate row for all the rules.  The key to success on logic games is
> >> working out a strategy that works for you, so feel free to experiment.
> >>
> >> You can be certain that LSAC will not let you skip logic games, so don't
> >> even try taking the easy way out.  In fact, I was very fortunate to get
> all
> >> the accommodations I requested, as many blind test takers had major
> >> difficulties getting the accommodations they needed; LSAC does not like
> to
> >> work with test takers with disabilities to insure that their needs are
> met.
> >> With that in mind, I'm afraid you won't be able to take the LSAT in
> June,
> >> since you don't yet know how to tackle logic games and thus are not in a
> >> position to request specific accommodations.  You can't, for instance,
> >> decide that Excel works best for you a week before the test and show up
> on
> >> the day of the exam expecting to be allowed to use the program; each
> >> accommodation must be preapproved by LSAC well in advance, and the
> process
> >> for requesting accommodations can be very time-consuming.  As a matter
> of
> >> fact, the deadline for the June test may have already passed.
> >>
> >> Please don't hesitate to contact me off-list at mnowicki4 at iCloud.com if
> >> you
> >> have further questions.  Good luck!
> >>
> >> Michal
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
> >> Askins via blindlaw
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:05 PM
> >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> >> Cc: Nicole Askins
> >> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
> >>
> >> Greetings all,
> >>
> >>
> >> I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for giving
> me
> >> information about it.
> >> I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and can not
> seem
> >> to get a handle on the Grouping Games.  since some of you may have
> >> experience with this test, please advise.
> >> 1.  Did anyone have this section of the test omitted?
> >> 2.  how did you create the diagrams if not omitted?
> >>
> >> Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole Askins
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