[blindLaw] ABYY FineReader Stability with Jaws?

Mon Aug 5 18:47:36 UTC 2019

Kelby

Do you mind my asking why you convert files to a different type of
pdf, rather than say to a text file, a word document etc.

Is this so that you can refer accurately to page numbers or is there
some other reason?

Kind regards

Ger

On 8/5/19, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Laura,
>
> Okay, here goes. i use NVDA, so some of the accessibility features
> might be slightly different. So, for example, I do not read PDFs in
> FineReader itself, but use Adobe after I have converted them. There
> are pretty easy ways to bulk convert within FineReader; from the main
> screen, just click on "convert to [whatever file format desired]" and
> then add files as necessary.
>
> You will want to go into FineReader's settings and make sure that
> tagging'bookmarking PDF files is checked, and that the OCR is set to
> "text and pictures only"--that way you will not have the original
> image embedded in the file, which will make it much larger.
>
> There is one important thing to be aware of, however. With some files,
> I have found that because of the tagging that FineReader does, when
> you open the converted file in Adobe, it will start you off on the
> last page instead of the first. There are two ways around this: either
> open the PDF file with FineReader's OCR editor, and when the OCR
> process has finished, save the file as a text-based PDF;
> alternatively, use "infer reading order from document" in Adobe's
> settings rather than tagged reading order. This does make converting
> PDFs in bulk trickier, unfortunately. I am trying to work with Abbyy
> on a fix, but so far they have not been helpful.
>
> Let me know if there are other questions.
>
>
>
> On 8/5/19, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello all
>>
>> I tend to use Nuance Omnipage to convert PDFS to text files and then
>> to read those files. This fast, reliable and effective.
>>
>> The one draw back is that sometimes the page numbers can be lost, so
>> that one is not always sure what page of a document one is reading.
>> Any solution for that would be welcome. However, I am not sure that
>> when say Fine Reader converts a pdf to word the word document has
>> precisely the same page numbers as the pdf?
>>
>> Comments on this welcome. I am following this discussion with interest
>> and would be really grateful if people would post solutions to the
>> list.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Ger
>>
>> On 8/4/19, Amar Jain via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> RB-just when I read your observation, I was reminded of a feature which
>>> even
>>> allowed reading within Fine Reader itself. It was an important
>>> observation
>>> from your end which lead to me remembering a good old missed feature.
>>>
>>> Let me try that out and let the group know tomorrow. Just ping me once
>>> please around noon time just so that it doesn’t slip from my mind.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> AJ
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 04-Aug-2019, at 7:29 PM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Laura,
>>>>
>>>> I use ABBYY as an instrument to convert PDFS into  word documents all
>>>> the
>>>> time. however, I suspect that you are envisaging its use to read PDF
>>>> documents as such, as a substitute for adobe reader.  I have never done
>>>> this yet. best,
>>>> Rahul
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 3, 2019, at 5:45 PM, Amar Jain via BlindLaw
>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I do it on day to day basis. It is the best solution. You can call me
>>>>> on
>>>>> +91-9892622230 or email me (there may be little delay in responses). Or
>>>>> Whats App is also fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Amar Jain
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03-Aug-2019, at 4:49 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anyone regularly uses ABYY FineReader instead of Adobe for handling
>>>>>> PDFs, I would really appreciate being contacted offline.  Here's the
>>>>>> skinny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My job is extremely PDF heavy,often with horribly tagged and un-ocr'd
>>>>>> documents, which we have no way of controlling.  For years, I rely
>>>>>> typically on K1000 as a work-around Adobe's finickiness with Jaws.
>>>>>> Except that, for reasons we can't understand, K1000 will not launch on
>>>>>> my system.  We've been working diligently on this for three weeks with
>>>>>> no success.  In the meantime, I've had to rely on Adobe pro, which for
>>>>>> reasons well rehashed, we all know is not a sustainable option. (Note,
>>>>>> in my copious free time, ha! I have been trying to negotiate with
>>>>>> Vispero and Adobe on this).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The potentially good news is that I do also have access to ABBYY
>>>>>> FineReader.  I've heard people mention this in the past as a
>>>>>> substitute for K1000 or OpenBook, but not as a PDF reader.  Yesterday,
>>>>>> I tried loading a PDF in it, got some notice like "loading scans,"
>>>>>> nothing happened after about a minute, and I panicked, basically
>>>>>> thinking "I don't have time to figure this out now, I need to get this
>>>>>> done," and resorted back to Adobe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if anyone has success with this program and can charitably donate
>>>>>> their time to me to give me a crash course instead of having me
>>>>>> self-teach and figure out if there's some settings I need to tweak or
>>>>>> whatever, I would be ever so grateful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks much,
>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>
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