[blindLaw] Blind Law Comments.

Tue Sep 10 14:30:27 UTC 2024

Nobody, including myself are harassing you.
On Sep 10, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Christine B <christinebusanelli at gmail.com> wrote:

Yes productive legal discussions. Not abusive discussions. Even the disabled can discriminate against and harass the disabled. Your disability is not the same as mine. And for you to suggest that because you have access, I have access is improper. You may use the virtual door to enlightenment on this topic. I am saving all your messages of harassment for further action.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 9:21 AM wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com<mailto:wmodnl at hotmail.com>> wrote:

How am I assuming?
I am totally blind and I am using a screen reader to access the information I posted.

Let's for a moment think of constructive feedback. Are you suggesting maybe, a disclaimer about what you are seeking to change be placed in a different location on the page?
Or maybe their being a popup message that reminds new subscribers this is a public platform with an explanation?
I don't have  anything else to say on this this is a list meant for productive legal discussions, networking etc.

On Sep 10, 2024, at 10:13 AM, Christine B <christinebusanelli at gmail.com<mailto:christinebusanelli at gmail.com>> wrote:

You are assuming others have the same vision capacities or assisted devices as you.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 9:03 AM wmodnl wmodnl via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
I am not a lawyer i’m perplexed about this ongoing discussion.
I went to BlindLaw page:

<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org>
BlindLaw Info Page<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org>
nfbnet.org<http://nfbnet.org/><http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org>
[X]<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org>

I copied the following text:
The purpose of the Blind Law listserv is to serve as a resource for blind lawyers, paralegals, and law students, those blind people interested in a career in the legal profession, and others interested in techniques used by blind attorneys in practice. Discussions focus on blindness-related aspects of the practice of law, legal employment, technical resources for the legal profession, law school admissions, and law school admissions tests and bar examinations. The Blind Law listserv is also a means for sharing information about laws and cases that affect the blind and for disseminating information about programs and activities of the National Federation of the Blind. This discussion area is moderated by members of the National Association of Blind Lawyers, a division of the National Federation of the Blind, and by the listserv owner.
Under list overview page:
<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo>
nfbnet.org<http://nfbnet.org/> Mailing Lists<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo>
nfbnet.org<http://nfbnet.org/><http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo>
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There is a disclaimer, which to my understanding and as I said earlier, I'm not a lawyer, infer to any user using the lists you're using a public platform and in doing so, you are in full agreement.

Below is a listing of all the public mailing lists on nfbnet.org<http://nfbnet.org/>. Click on a list name to get more information about the list, or to subscribe, unsubscribe, and change the preferences on your subscription. To visit the general information page for an unadvertised list, open a URL similar to this one, but with a '/' and the list name appended.

List administrators, you can visit the list admin overview page<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/admin> to find the management interface for your list.

If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact mailman at nfbnet.org<mailto:mailman at nfbnet.org><mailto:mailman at nfbnet.org<mailto:mailman at nfbnet.org>>.

To my understanding, we as individuals have the information available to us that when we sign up, we are entering into an agreement to utilize a public platform. What changed or what is a new issue?

Thanks

Down the page,

On Sep 10, 2024, at 9:42 AM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Dear Christine

Disability is always sensitive and to help understand what was posted I thought I would try to find the relevant discussion.  I hit Google with your name and disability and found the below article by the American Bar Association instead:
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/diversity/disabilityrights/news/celebrating-disability-pride-at-aba/
Christine Busanelli
Special Advisor to the ABA’s Commission on Disability Rights
“To me, it means not being micro analyzed for what I can and cannot do (related to my disability) and for what technology I use and do not use. It also
means not being compared to someone’s cousin/uncle/mother/brother’s disability issue. It means recognizing that everyone’s disability manifests differently,
and there is no way anyone can understand my life challenges as they are not in my shoes. So when I speak about my challenges, listen with respect and
compassion.”

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On Behalf Of Christine B via BlindLaw
Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2024 11:17 PM
To: maxine.gretchokoff at yahoo.com<mailto:maxine.gretchokoff at yahoo.com>; Ronza Othman <rothmanjd at gmail.com<mailto:rothmanjd at gmail.com>>; chrisstewartjd at gmail.com<mailto:chrisstewartjd at gmail.com>; Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
Cc: Christine B <christinebusanelli at gmail.com<mailto:christinebusanelli at gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Blind Law Comments.

Your comments are libelous, Maxine, and a perfect example of why I’d choose to leave this group. I am sharing your spewing hatred now for all group members to view. My disability is not an excuse, it’s a fact. Your obvious concern is for the group name and not its members, how selfish and unprofessional.

Did you think I wouldn’t expose your derogatory tirade? Think again.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 8:11 AM <maxine.gretchokoff at yahoo.com<mailto:maxine.gretchokoff at yahoo.com>> wrote:

Good morning,

    I’ve been keeping up with your comments on our public list serve.
One’s disability is not an excuse, your comments are public and
childish, and I highly recommend you look into constructive criticism,
critical thinking, expectations of privacy, and seek to shift our
community into something more whole rather than be a divisive figure.
Ma’am, please learn from this and engage in a manner befitting an
attorney and a member of the blind community even if you choose not to
associate with the NFB from this point. If your now public comments
are found out, perhaps by a sensationalist media company, please think
of the damage it does to our credibility and image is a community and
not just a specific blind organization. If you’d like to continue the discussion please let me know.
Otherwise, thank you for your time and I hope you have a good day.

Respectfully,

*Maxine J. Gretchokoff (They/Them)*

Civil Air Patrol Auxiliary Airman,

Magnolia At-Large Chapter Member, MS NFB

*Cell:* 769.768.0335

*Email:* Maxine.Gretchokoff at yahoo.com<mailto:Maxine.Gretchokoff at yahoo.com>

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