[blindLaw] Blind Law Comments.

Tue Sep 10 14:31:20 UTC 2024

Ongoing harassment for the record.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 9:30 AM wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com> wrote:

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> Nobody, including myself are harassing you.
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> On Sep 10, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Christine B <christinebusanelli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Yes productive legal discussions. Not abusive discussions. Even the
> disabled can discriminate against and harass the disabled. Your disability
> is not the same as mine. And for you to suggest that because you have
> access, I have access is improper. You may use the virtual door to
> enlightenment on this topic. I am saving all your messages of harassment
> for further action.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 9:21 AM wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>> How am I assuming?
>> I am totally blind and I am using a screen reader to access the
>> information I posted.
>>
>> Let's for a moment think of constructive feedback. Are you suggesting
>> maybe, a disclaimer about what you are seeking to change be placed in a
>> different location on the page?
>> Or maybe their being a popup message that reminds new subscribers this is
>> a public platform with an explanation?
>> I don't have  anything else to say on this this is a list meant for
>> productive legal discussions, networking etc.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2024, at 10:13 AM, Christine B <christinebusanelli at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> You are assuming others have the same vision capacities or assisted
>> devices as you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 9:03 AM wmodnl wmodnl via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> I am not a lawyer i’m perplexed about this ongoing discussion.
>>> I went to BlindLaw page:
>>>
>>> <http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org>
>>> BlindLaw Info Page<
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>>> [X]<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org>
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>>>
>>> I copied the following text:
>>> The purpose of the Blind Law listserv is to serve as a resource for
>>> blind lawyers, paralegals, and law students, those blind people interested
>>> in a career in the legal profession, and others interested in techniques
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>>> the legal profession, law school admissions, and law school admissions
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>>> Federation of the Blind, and by the listserv owner.
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>>>
>>>
>>> There is a disclaimer, which to my understanding and as I said earlier,
>>> I'm not a lawyer, infer to any user using the lists you're using a public
>>> platform and in doing so, you are in full agreement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> To my understanding, we as individuals have the information available to
>>> us that when we sign up, we are entering into an agreement to utilize a
>>> public platform. What changed or what is a new issue?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Down the page,
>>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2024, at 9:42 AM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw <
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Christine
>>>
>>> Disability is always sensitive and to help understand what was posted I
>>> thought I would try to find the relevant discussion.  I hit Google with
>>> your name and disability and found the below article by the American Bar
>>> Association instead:
>>>
>>> https://www.americanbar.org/groups/diversity/disabilityrights/news/celebrating-disability-pride-at-aba/
>>> Christine Busanelli
>>> Special Advisor to the ABA’s Commission on Disability Rights
>>> “To me, it means not being micro analyzed for what I can and cannot do
>>> (related to my disability) and for what technology I use and do not use. It
>>> also
>>> means not being compared to someone’s cousin/uncle/mother/brother’s
>>> disability issue. It means recognizing that everyone’s disability manifests
>>> differently,
>>> and there is no way anyone can understand my life challenges as they are
>>> not in my shoes. So when I speak about my challenges, listen with respect
>>> and
>>> compassion.”
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Christine B
>>> via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2024 11:17 PM
>>> To: maxine.gretchokoff at yahoo.com; Ronza Othman <rothmanjd at gmail.com>;
>>> chrisstewartjd at gmail.com; Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Christine B <christinebusanelli at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Blind Law Comments.
>>>
>>> Your comments are libelous, Maxine, and a perfect example of why I’d
>>> choose to leave this group. I am sharing your spewing hatred now for all
>>> group members to view. My disability is not an excuse, it’s a fact. Your
>>> obvious concern is for the group name and not its members, how selfish and
>>> unprofessional.
>>>
>>> Did you think I wouldn’t expose your derogatory tirade? Think again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 8:11 AM <maxine.gretchokoff at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     I’ve been keeping up with your comments on our public list serve.
>>> One’s disability is not an excuse, your comments are public and
>>> childish, and I highly recommend you look into constructive criticism,
>>> critical thinking, expectations of privacy, and seek to shift our
>>> community into something more whole rather than be a divisive figure.
>>> Ma’am, please learn from this and engage in a manner befitting an
>>> attorney and a member of the blind community even if you choose not to
>>> associate with the NFB from this point. If your now public comments
>>> are found out, perhaps by a sensationalist media company, please think
>>> of the damage it does to our credibility and image is a community and
>>> not just a specific blind organization. If you’d like to continue the
>>> discussion please let me know.
>>> Otherwise, thank you for your time and I hope you have a good day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> *Maxine J. Gretchokoff (They/Them)*
>>>
>>> Civil Air Patrol Auxiliary Airman,
>>>
>>> Magnolia At-Large Chapter Member, MS NFB
>>>
>>> *Cell:* 769.768.0335
>>>
>>> *Email:* Maxine.Gretchokoff at yahoo.com
>>>
>>>
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