[Blindmath] Sighted reading of Nemeth math

[Blind Collegian]

Hi,
I also use the PAC Mate. You indicate that it takes the student about 5
minutes to go through the process of checking to make sure all the symbols
produced using the student's device makes sense. My school's transcriber is
not skilled in nemeth Code, so unfortunately it leaves me having to use a
standard text editor to produce my work. I know that sounds odd, but LaTeX
and other programs I contemplated on using are not among the options the
professors have, at least for now.
Also, does your student have to copy the problems and their corresponding
numbers from the textbook before showing how he/she solved the problem?
Spatial math on any device like the PAC mate can be time consuming.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Connie Baker" <cnsbaker at access.k12.wv.us>
To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
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Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Sighted reading of Nemeth math


> Maybe it is due to the knowledge your Braille transcriber knows about
> Nemeth
> and computer Braille.
>
> My student uses a PacMate to do their math assignments. Before printing
> the
> final copy to give to their teacher, we go through the document together.
> I
> find the computer Braille symbols and they read what they meant to be
> there
> using their Braille display and make the necessary corrections. This takes
> about 5 minutes to complete.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Blind Collegian
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:16 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Sighted reading of Nemeth math
>
> Hi,
> I appreciate your input. However, my statement regarding nemeth Code
> making
> no sense to a naked eye was meant to refer to my math professor, who
> stated
> that the printout cannot be discerned, so I gave up. However, a certified
> Braille transcriber whom I spoke with said the work I created in Nemeth
> Code
>
> on the BrailleNote "made perfect sense". I wonder why the discrepancy.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Jolly" <easjolly at ix.netcom.com>
> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:04 PM
> Subject: [Blindmath] Sighted reading of Nemeth math
>
>
>>I disagree with the claim about Nemeth math printed out from a BrailleNote
>> making "no sense to the naked
>> eye."
>>
>> If you print out Nemeth math from a BrailleNote in the original computer
>> braille (not backtranslated) it will show up as ASCII characters.  It
>> shouldn't take a math-knowledgeable sighted person more than a few
>> minutes
>> to learn to read it.  (The reason is much of computer braille was based
>> on
>> Nemeth math. For example, the digits and common symbols such as the plus
>> sign are identical.) Here's an article I wrote several years ago on this
>> topic that you might want to pass along to your teachers.
>> http://www.dotlessbraille.org/readnem.htm
>>
>> I'm glad to correspond with any sighted persons who need more help than
>> is
>> in my article.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> SusanJ
>>
>>
>>
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