[Blindmath] Sighted reading of Nemeth math

[Jared Wright]

Perhaps if you just spoke your math from the PackMate to your 
transcriber? It's far from ideal, but probably better than doing it the 
other way. Like I and others have said, if you're transcribing already 
you might as well start transcribing in laTeX and cut the transcriber 
out completely, just turning in compiled LaTeX. We've had a fairly 
detailed discussion about LaTeX and its potential trip-ups, but just now 
finishing up the Calculus series of courses, I can say that LaTeX source 
compiled into PDF or HTML was sufficient for every professor I worked 
with. if learning LaTeX source is out of the question though, you might 
find your time used more efficiently to just dictate to your transcriber 
rather than actually doing an extra layer of manual transcribtion.

Just, yaknow, for what it's worth. *smile*

Jared

On 3/16/2009 12:31 PM, Blind Collegian wrote:
> Hi,
> I also use the PAC Mate. You indicate that it takes the student about 5
> minutes to go through the process of checking to make sure all the 
> symbols
> produced using the student's device makes sense. My school's 
> transcriber is
> not skilled in nemeth Code, so unfortunately it leaves me having to use a
> standard text editor to produce my work. I know that sounds odd, but 
> LaTeX
> and other programs I contemplated on using are not among the options the
> professors have, at least for now.
> Also, does your student have to copy the problems and their corresponding
> numbers from the textbook before showing how he/she solved the problem?
> Spatial math on any device like the PAC mate can be time consuming.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Baker" 
> <cnsbaker at access.k12.wv.us>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Sighted reading of Nemeth math
>
>
>> Maybe it is due to the knowledge your Braille transcriber knows about
>> Nemeth
>> and computer Braille.
>>
>> My student uses a PacMate to do their math assignments. Before printing
>> the
>> final copy to give to their teacher, we go through the document 
>> together.
>> I
>> find the computer Braille symbols and they read what they meant to be
>> there
>> using their Braille display and make the necessary corrections. This 
>> takes
>> about 5 minutes to complete.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Blind Collegian
>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:16 PM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Sighted reading of Nemeth math
>>
>> Hi,
>> I appreciate your input. However, my statement regarding nemeth Code
>> making
>> no sense to a naked eye was meant to refer to my math professor, who
>> stated
>> that the printout cannot be discerned, so I gave up. However, a 
>> certified
>> Braille transcriber whom I spoke with said the work I created in Nemeth
>> Code
>>
>> on the BrailleNote "made perfect sense". I wonder why the discrepancy.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Jolly" 
>> <easjolly at ix.netcom.com>
>> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:04 PM
>> Subject: [Blindmath] Sighted reading of Nemeth math
>>
>>
>>> I disagree with the claim about Nemeth math printed out from a 
>>> BrailleNote
>>> making "no sense to the naked
>>> eye."
>>>
>>> If you print out Nemeth math from a BrailleNote in the original 
>>> computer
>>> braille (not backtranslated) it will show up as ASCII characters.  It
>>> shouldn't take a math-knowledgeable sighted person more than a few
>>> minutes
>>> to learn to read it.  (The reason is much of computer braille was based
>>> on
>>> Nemeth math. For example, the digits and common symbols such as the 
>>> plus
>>> sign are identical.) Here's an article I wrote several years ago on 
>>> this
>>> topic that you might want to pass along to your teachers.
>>> http://www.dotlessbraille.org/readnem.htm
>>>
>>> I'm glad to correspond with any sighted persons who need more help than
>>> is
>>> in my article.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> SusanJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
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