[Blindmath] volume of rotational solids (calculus)

Edward personal.edward at gmail.com
Wed Mar 9 15:35:32 UTC 2011 

Hello 
No problem I heard about a plastic that reacts to a touch screen, raising it
so you can feel but I am not sure if its out yet or not.
Edward


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As much as I hate to admit it, I don't have any good accessible graphing
calculator.  I wish I did.  I am just using a TI-83 Plus, and I'm using it
visually.  

I do pretty much everything but math non-visually, but I have not acquired
the blindness skills to do math non-visually. 

Justin M. Salisbury
Undergraduate Student
The University Honors Program
East Carolina University
salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."    -Aristotle
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Hello

How did you graph?  Do you have an accessible graphing calculator?  I am
looking for something like this. Thanks Edward


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Hi Edward,

I just graphed it and analyzed it.  That's all I meant.

Justin M. Salisbury
Undergraduate Student
The University Honors Program
East Carolina University
salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."    -Aristotle
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Hello
How did you run the function?  Do you have a program?
Thanks
Edward


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I just ran the function that you described, and I am truly confused by your
question.  Since you are in calc 2, you must be doing an actual integral.

The region above the function is not included in the integral because an
integral is the area beneath the curve.  This is a two-dimensional slice
that will, when rotated, form a bowl-type shape.  The bowl-type shape is
what you're trying to achieve; it is the solid of revolution.  You don't
have to subtract out the bowl because it is what you're trying to find.

Justin M. Salisbury
Undergraduate Student
The University Honors Program
East Carolina University
salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."    -Aristotle
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Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] volume of rotational solids (calculus)

Yes, calc 2, and yes, only continuous functions. The problem is that,
sometimes, there is a region that is undefined for the function. If you have
some exponential, call it e^x, from x=0 to x=2 rotated about the y-axis,
there is a region shaped like a bowl that you must account for by
subtracting it out. For a more complex equation, imagining the shapes is not
so easy, so I could not just know that there is a region whose area must be
subtracted out. I am looking for a non-graphing way to do this. After all,
as you said, sketches are just a visualization tool; functions should not
need to be sketched to be worked with.

On 3/8/11, Salisbury, Justin Mark <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
>     Are you taking Calculus II?  If so, I'm pretty sure that they 
> aren't expecting you to integrate any functions that are undefined. 
> I'm pretty sure you'll be integrating continuous functions.  If you're 
> asking how to know which bound lies inside the other one, that's 
> generally a matter of a distance from the axis of rotation.  I hope 
> that you can mentally conceptualize which functions lie inside other 
> ones.  Otherwise, you'll have to use a distance formula to the axis of 
> rotation for points on each equation.  If you just have the 
> understanding that you're calculating the distance between two or more 
> equations and then rotating it to turn area into volume, you should 
> have a thorough enough understanding of what you're doing.  If you 
> want to contact me off-list for humorous real-life examples, feel 
> free.  Sighted mathematicians really only use sketches to help 
> themselves understand what they're doing.  Many advanced 
> mathematicians never even draw the functions before beginning their 
> computations.  I think you'll be just fine as long as you know that 
> you're accomplishing and know which functions lie inside the others.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Justin
>
> Justin M. Salisbury
> Undergraduate Student
> The University Honors Program
> East Carolina University
> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>
> "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
> without accepting it."    -Aristotle
> ________________________________________
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] on 
> behalf of Alex Hall [mehgcap at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:30 PM
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> Subject: [Blindmath] volume of rotational solids (calculus)
>
> Hi all,
> This is not a request for help in finding this sort of thing. Rather, 
> I am wondering if it can be done purely algebraically so I do not have 
> to try to imagine the graph. Example:
>
> Find the volume of the solid formed by rotating the function y=x^2 
> around the x-axis from x=0 to x=4.
>
> This one is a pretty simple example, and should be pi*x^5/5, I think. 
> This is using the Disk Method, but what happens with the Washer method 
> or the Shell method, where you might have space in the solid where the 
> function is not defined? Currently, I have to try to imagine the graph 
> to "see" the radius to use, any undefined portions, and so on. What I 
> am wondering is if anyone has dealt with this and has found any way to 
> do it all with algebra or some other non-graphical method. If so, 
> please share! Thanks.
>
> --
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