[Blindmath] Your opportunity to influence the accessibility of acollege math course

Mon Nov 21 20:11:24 UTC 2011

That is how they were meant to be perceived. That's good, because formats 7
and 8 are not difficult to create.

I guess your experience means that 8 is better than 7 insofar as NVDA is
concerned. Did you hear the word Matrix when you entered table 8?

This information is extremely useful to me because it will help me to get
things right the first time I create them and eliminate the need to go back
and change formats later.

Thanks,
Dick Baldwin

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Amanda Lacy <lacy925 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think 7 and 8 do what they're supposed to. With NVDA and Firefox I
> perceive them something like this.
>
> u x0 z1
> v x1 z2
> w x2 z3
>
> The only difference I see between 7 and 8 is that 8 causes NVDA to anounce
> that it is entering a table. 7 does not, so if I hadn't known this was
> supposed to be a table I may not have tried table commands.
>
>
> Amanda
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Your opportunity to influence the accessibility
> of acollege math course
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>
>  Hi Michael,
>>
>> I have attached a zip file containing a short xhtml file containing
>> several
>> different table formats that could be used to house matrices.
>>
>> Can you take a look and see which, if any of these formats are recognized
>> as tables by VoiceOver. Also if someone could take a look and see if any
>> of
>> them are incompatible with Jaws, NVDA, or any other popular screen reader
>> that would also be helpful.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dick Baldwin
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  I encounter similar issues to Amanda when viewing it on the Mac with
>>> VoiceOver. VoiceOver fails to see any of the matrices as tables and for
>>> each element it makes a noise indicating moving to another line.
>>>
>>> As a slight hint for what might be going on, the tables used for the
>>> listings of code samples work fine and are seen as tables by VoiceOver.
>>>
>>> Michael Whapples
>>> On 21 Nov 2011, at 14:35, Richard Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>>> > The values are correct. In print, the three matrices appear >
>>> side-by-side
>>> > instead of being strung out as a single column matrix containing nine
>>> > elements.
>>> >
>>> > Would anyone like to suggest a way to make that format apparent to
>>> someone
>>> > examining the three matrices using a screen reader?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Dick Baldwin
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Amanda Lacy <lacy925 at gmail.com> >
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> In Math1006, you wrote:
>>> >> This page in Kjell's tutorial contains the following structure
>>> containing
>>> >> three column matrices:
>>> >> u
>>> >> v
>>> >> w
>>> >> x0
>>> >> x1
>>> >> x2
>>> >> z1
>>> >> z2
>>> >> z3
>>> >>
>>> >> At least that's how it looks to me. Is it right?
>>> >>
>>> >> Amanda
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Baldwin" <
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>>> >> To: "BlindMath Mailing List" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 1:00 PM
>>> >> Subject: [Blindmath] Your opportunity to influence the accessibility
>>> >> of
>>> >> acollege math course
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I am in the process of developing accessible courseware for the
>>> following
>>> >>> course that I will be teaching in the Spring 2012 semester at Austin
>>> >>> Community College, Austin, TX.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> GAME 2302 - Mathematical Applications for Game Development
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Description: Presents applications of mathematics and science in game
>>> and
>>> >>> simulation programming. Includes the utilization of matrix and vector
>>> >>> operations, kinematics, and Newtonian principles in games and
>>> simulations.
>>> >>> Also covers code optimization.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I have completed the first draft of the first few modules and have
>>> >>> attached
>>> >>> a zip file containing that material.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you would like to review that material and make recommendations
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> improved accessibility, I would like to hear those suggestions. I
>>> >>> can't
>>> >>> promise that I will implement all recommendations, but I will >>>
>>> certainly
>>> >>> consider them.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Unzip the material from the attached zip file into an empty folder
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> open
>>> >>> the index file named Math0100.htm in your browser. Follow the links
>>> >>> in
>>> the
>>> >>> index to the other modules.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks,
>>> >>> Dick Baldwin
>>> >>>
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