[Blindmath] Your opportunity to influence the accessibility of acollege math course

Mon Nov 21 20:20:44 UTC 2011

Upon entering table 8, I heard "table with 4 rows and 3 columns row 1 column 
1 Matrix." All of the words except "Matrix" are spoken only. The word 
"Matrix" also shows on my Braille display. This is what I would expect.

Amanda
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From: "Richard Baldwin" <baldwin at dickbaldwin.com>
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Your opportunity to influence the accessibility of 
acollege math course

> That is how they were meant to be perceived. That's good, because formats 
> 7
> and 8 are not difficult to create.
>
> I guess your experience means that 8 is better than 7 insofar as NVDA is
> concerned. Did you hear the word Matrix when you entered table 8?
>
> This information is extremely useful to me because it will help me to get
> things right the first time I create them and eliminate the need to go 
> back
> and change formats later.
>
> Thanks,
> Dick Baldwin
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Amanda Lacy <lacy925 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think 7 and 8 do what they're supposed to. With NVDA and Firefox I
>> perceive them something like this.
>>
>> u x0 z1
>> v x1 z2
>> w x2 z3
>>
>> The only difference I see between 7 and 8 is that 8 causes NVDA to 
>> anounce
>> that it is entering a table. 7 does not, so if I hadn't known this was
>> supposed to be a table I may not have tried table commands.
>>
>>
>> Amanda
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Baldwin" <
>> baldwin at dickbaldwin.com>
>> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics" <
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>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Your opportunity to influence the accessibility
>> of acollege math course
>>
>>
>>
>>  Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> I have attached a zip file containing a short xhtml file containing
>>> several
>>> different table formats that could be used to house matrices.
>>>
>>> Can you take a look and see which, if any of these formats are 
>>> recognized
>>> as tables by VoiceOver. Also if someone could take a look and see if any
>>> of
>>> them are incompatible with Jaws, NVDA, or any other popular screen 
>>> reader
>>> that would also be helpful.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dick Baldwin
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  I encounter similar issues to Amanda when viewing it on the Mac with
>>>> VoiceOver. VoiceOver fails to see any of the matrices as tables and for
>>>> each element it makes a noise indicating moving to another line.
>>>>
>>>> As a slight hint for what might be going on, the tables used for the
>>>> listings of code samples work fine and are seen as tables by VoiceOver.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Whapples
>>>> On 21 Nov 2011, at 14:35, Richard Baldwin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The values are correct. In print, the three matrices appear >
>>>> side-by-side
>>>> > instead of being strung out as a single column matrix containing nine
>>>> > elements.
>>>> >
>>>> > Would anyone like to suggest a way to make that format apparent to
>>>> someone
>>>> > examining the three matrices using a screen reader?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Dick Baldwin
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Amanda Lacy <lacy925 at gmail.com> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> In Math1006, you wrote:
>>>> >> This page in Kjell's tutorial contains the following structure
>>>> containing
>>>> >> three column matrices:
>>>> >> u
>>>> >> v
>>>> >> w
>>>> >> x0
>>>> >> x1
>>>> >> x2
>>>> >> z1
>>>> >> z2
>>>> >> z3
>>>> >>
>>>> >> At least that's how it looks to me. Is it right?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Amanda
>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Baldwin" <
>>>> >> baldwin at dickbaldwin.com>
>>>> >> To: "BlindMath Mailing List" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 1:00 PM
>>>> >> Subject: [Blindmath] Your opportunity to influence the accessibility
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> acollege math course
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am in the process of developing accessible courseware for the
>>>> following
>>>> >>> course that I will be teaching in the Spring 2012 semester at 
>>>> >>> Austin
>>>> >>> Community College, Austin, TX.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> GAME 2302 - Mathematical Applications for Game Development
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Description: Presents applications of mathematics and science in 
>>>> >>> game
>>>> and
>>>> >>> simulation programming. Includes the utilization of matrix and 
>>>> >>> vector
>>>> >>> operations, kinematics, and Newtonian principles in games and
>>>> simulations.
>>>> >>> Also covers code optimization.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I have completed the first draft of the first few modules and have
>>>> >>> attached
>>>> >>> a zip file containing that material.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> If you would like to review that material and make recommendations
>>>> >>> for
>>>> >>> improved accessibility, I would like to hear those suggestions. I
>>>> >>> can't
>>>> >>> promise that I will implement all recommendations, but I will >>>
>>>> certainly
>>>> >>> consider them.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Unzip the material from the attached zip file into an empty folder
>>>> >>> and
>>>> >>> open
>>>> >>> the index file named Math0100.htm in your browser. Follow the links
>>>> >>> in
>>>> the
>>>> >>> index to the other modules.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thanks,
>>>> >>> Dick Baldwin
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
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