[Blindmath] Your opportunity to influence the accessibility of acollege math course

Mon Nov 21 20:41:14 UTC 2011

Hello,
1 and 2 VoiceOver does not see as tables, it gives a noise though between each item to indicate a new line. 3 is recognised as a table.

4 and 5 are not seen in a table, reading order is U, V, W, X0, X1, X2, Z1, Z2, z3. VoiceOver gives noises to indicate each element is a different line. 6 is in a table, however the table only has two rows and one column, with the word matrix in the top row and the same as 4 and 5 in the bottom row.

7 has the reading order U, X0, Z1, V, X1, Z2, W, X2, Z3, with new line noises between Z1 and V, Z2 and W.

8 is similar to 7, however it is in a table with 4 rows (top one being the word matrix) with the bit where a new line noise would be made is now starting a new row.

Michael Whapples
On 21 Nov 2011, at 19:02, Richard Baldwin wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> 
> I have attached a zip file containing a short xhtml file containing several
> different table formats that could be used to house matrices.
> 
> Can you take a look and see which, if any of these formats are recognized
> as tables by VoiceOver. Also if someone could take a look and see if any of
> them are incompatible with Jaws, NVDA, or any other popular screen reader
> that would also be helpful.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dick Baldwin
> 
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>wrote:
> 
>> I encounter similar issues to Amanda when viewing it on the Mac with
>> VoiceOver. VoiceOver fails to see any of the matrices as tables and for
>> each element it makes a noise indicating moving to another line.
>> 
>> As a slight hint for what might be going on, the tables used for the
>> listings of code samples work fine and are seen as tables by VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Michael Whapples
>> On 21 Nov 2011, at 14:35, Richard Baldwin wrote:
>> 
>>> The values are correct. In print, the three matrices appear side-by-side
>>> instead of being strung out as a single column matrix containing nine
>>> elements.
>>> 
>>> Would anyone like to suggest a way to make that format apparent to
>> someone
>>> examining the three matrices using a screen reader?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dick Baldwin
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Amanda Lacy <lacy925 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In Math1006, you wrote:
>>>> This page in Kjell's tutorial contains the following structure
>> containing
>>>> three column matrices:
>>>> u
>>>> v
>>>> w
>>>> x0
>>>> x1
>>>> x2
>>>> z1
>>>> z2
>>>> z3
>>>> 
>>>> At least that's how it looks to me. Is it right?
>>>> 
>>>> Amanda
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Baldwin" <
>>>> baldwin at dickbaldwin.com>
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>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 1:00 PM
>>>> Subject: [Blindmath] Your opportunity to influence the accessibility of
>>>> acollege math course
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I am in the process of developing accessible courseware for the
>> following
>>>>> course that I will be teaching in the Spring 2012 semester at Austin
>>>>> Community College, Austin, TX.
>>>>> 
>>>>> GAME 2302 - Mathematical Applications for Game Development
>>>>> 
>>>>> Description: Presents applications of mathematics and science in game
>> and
>>>>> simulation programming. Includes the utilization of matrix and vector
>>>>> operations, kinematics, and Newtonian principles in games and
>> simulations.
>>>>> Also covers code optimization.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have completed the first draft of the first few modules and have
>>>>> attached
>>>>> a zip file containing that material.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you would like to review that material and make recommendations for
>>>>> improved accessibility, I would like to hear those suggestions. I can't
>>>>> promise that I will implement all recommendations, but I will certainly
>>>>> consider them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Unzip the material from the attached zip file into an empty folder and
>>>>> open
>>>>> the index file named Math0100.htm in your browser. Follow the links in
>> the
>>>>> index to the other modules.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Dick Baldwin
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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