[Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 3
Maylene Bird
maylenebird at gmail.com
Sun Feb 5 02:59:22 UTC 2012
Dear All:
I never intended to suggest that a student was lazy, sorry if it seemed
that way. I have had too many students come to me having been allowed to
skip sections of math homework because it was too inconvenient for the
teacher involved to make accommodations. This is unacceptable. I have had
students come to my school with credit for algebra 1 from another school
(usually a manistream situation) and have never graphed a single point-
ever- and the student says that he or she was allowed to skip that part.
I am appalled by that. Thiis does no favors for the student. Any student
who cannot use the Perkins brailler needs to find a suitable way to write
out the math. There are so many options these days.
Thanks to all of you.
Sincerely,
Maylene Bird
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> 1. Using crowdsourcing for cropping images? (Pranav Lal)
> 2. Re: Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 (Maylene Bird)
> 3. Re: Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 (Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC))
> 4. Re: Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 (Ken Perry)
> 5. Re: Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 (Michael Whapples)
> 6. Re: Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 (Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC))
> 7. Re: Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 (Lewicki, Maureen)
> 8. Re: Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 (Lewicki, Maureen)
> 9. Re: Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 (Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC))
> 10. Re: Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 (Michael Whapples)
> 11. Re: Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 (Lewicki, Maureen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:13:58 +0530
> From: Pranav Lal <pranav.lal at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Blindmath] Using crowdsourcing for cropping images?
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> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone tried crowdsourcing for cropping images and such tasks? I
> was looking at http://www.mobileworks.com and at Mechanical turk from
> amazon.
>
> Pranav
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 05:42:26 -0600
> From: Maylene Bird <maylenebird at gmail.com>
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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> Dear Ruchi,
> You might want to get the APH Math Builders Unit 6 kit. It has all kinds
> of hands-on items. I would also suggest getting the APH Graphic Aid for
> Mathematics soon if you don't have one. You will need it when he starts to
> learn how to do anything on a graph. Another APH item for drawing is the
> APH Draftsman Tactile Drawing Board. The last thing I will say is to make
> sure he learns his Nemeth code. I teach high school math at the TX School
> for the Blind, and the students who really learned their Nemeth well and
> were exposed to lots of hands-on tools are my top students. They should
> not be allowed to skip large sections of homework either just because they
> are blind.
>
> Good luck! Our Website for TSBVI has a lot of tools listed under Susan
> Osterhaus' math section.
>
> Sincerely,
> Maylene Bird
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <blindmath-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> > 1. Re: Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids (Gaylen Kapperman)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:02:48 -0600
> > From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman at niu.edu>
> > To: ruchi_patil at samruddha.net, Blind Math list for those interested in
> > mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids
> > Message-ID: <201202011802.q11I2s9B016782 at essmail.ess.niu.edu>
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> > Dear Ruchi
> >
> >
> >
> > My colleagues and I have written a text on teaching math to blind
> > youngsters. We have posted it on the Texas School site at
> > www.tsbvi.edu
> > Go there and search for project math access
> > or search for
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> > and you can find lots of suggestions of all types.
> > Good luck.
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> >
> > At 11:17 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
> > >Dear All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am a mother of a 8 year old blind child. My son uses Vp Arithmetic
> from
> > >Henter math for Math at school and Marvel Math from marvelsoft for
> mental
> > >math polishing at school.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >He would be going to grade 3 now and while adapting his school textbook
> I
> > >realized that Vp Arithmetic may not be sufficient any longer for the
> > >following reasons:
> > >
> > >1. There are word problems, for which he will have to make the
> > problem
> > >and the workspace and then solve it.
> > >
> > >2. Problems now involve addition and subtraction both which again
> is
> > >not possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Eagerly waiting to hear some suggestions from you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Warm regards,
> > >
> > >Ruchi
> > >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:50:12 +0000
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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>
> With reference to the skipping large amounts of homework "just because
> they are blind" what is your solution if the use of the Braille writer is
> literally exhausting and painful?
> This is my issue. I read and write Braille well. I just cannot write using
> the manual Perkins for very long periods without it causing me pain and
> without wearing me out.
> I find the way you phrased this a little offensive, because it presumes
> that people who are blind are looking for ways to skip the homework. I
> don't think that's true. I do think that circumstances related to the
> tools you use due to your blindness can impact the need to shorten
> assignments to a level that meets the needs of both student and instructor.
>
> It's like saying "You shouldn't be allowed to take a large chunk of time
> off work just because you're a woman" only to realize that women who have
> babies do generally take a large chunk of time off work when the baby is
> born, and nobody bats an eye.
>
> So, can you explain your statement and provide tools to meet your need?
> Note "Toughen up you blind wimp" is not the right answer, because you
> wouldn't tell a sighted student to use a device that takes far more muscle
> strength and indurance then most of us are accustomed to using.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Maylene Bird
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:42 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Dear Ruchi,
> You might want to get the APH Math Builders Unit 6 kit. It has all kinds
> of hands-on items. I would also suggest getting the APH Graphic Aid for
> Mathematics soon if you don't have one. You will need it when he starts to
> learn how to do anything on a graph. Another APH item for drawing is the
> APH Draftsman Tactile Drawing Board. The last thing I will say is to make
> sure he learns his Nemeth code. I teach high school math at the TX School
> for the Blind, and the students who really learned their Nemeth well and
> were exposed to lots of hands-on tools are my top students. They should
> not be allowed to skip large sections of homework either just because they
> are blind.
>
> Good luck! Our Website for TSBVI has a lot of tools listed under Susan
> Osterhaus' math section.
>
> Sincerely,
> Maylene Bird
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <blindmath-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
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> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids (Gaylen Kapperman)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:02:48 -0600
> > From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman at niu.edu>
> > To: ruchi_patil at samruddha.net, Blind Math list for those interested in
> > mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids
> > Message-ID: <201202011802.q11I2s9B016782 at essmail.ess.niu.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > Dear Ruchi
> >
> >
> >
> > My colleagues and I have written a text on teaching math to blind
> > youngsters. We have posted it on the Texas School site at
> > www.tsbvi.edu
> > Go there and search for project math access
> > or search for
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> > and you can find lots of suggestions of all types.
> > Good luck.
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> >
> > At 11:17 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
> > >Dear All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am a mother of a 8 year old blind child. My son uses Vp Arithmetic
> from
> > >Henter math for Math at school and Marvel Math from marvelsoft for
> mental
> > >math polishing at school.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >He would be going to grade 3 now and while adapting his school textbook
> I
> > >realized that Vp Arithmetic may not be sufficient any longer for the
> > >following reasons:
> > >
> > >1. There are word problems, for which he will have to make the
> > problem
> > >and the workspace and then solve it.
> > >
> > >2. Problems now involve addition and subtraction both which again
> is
> > >not possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Eagerly waiting to hear some suggestions from you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Warm regards,
> > >
> > >Ruchi
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 09:04:21 -0500
> From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at blinksoft.com>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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> You might want to try one of the new perkins if you have not it's a bit
> softer on the hands.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:50 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> With reference to the skipping large amounts of homework "just because they
> are blind" what is your solution if the use of the Braille writer is
> literally exhausting and painful?
> This is my issue. I read and write Braille well. I just cannot write using
> the manual Perkins for very long periods without it causing me pain and
> without wearing me out.
> I find the way you phrased this a little offensive, because it presumes
> that
> people who are blind are looking for ways to skip the homework. I don't
> think that's true. I do think that circumstances related to the tools you
> use due to your blindness can impact the need to shorten assignments to a
> level that meets the needs of both student and instructor.
>
> It's like saying "You shouldn't be allowed to take a large chunk of time
> off
> work just because you're a woman" only to realize that women who have
> babies do generally take a large chunk of time off work when the baby is
> born, and nobody bats an eye.
>
> So, can you explain your statement and provide tools to meet your need?
> Note
> "Toughen up you blind wimp" is not the right answer, because you wouldn't
> tell a sighted student to use a device that takes far more muscle strength
> and indurance then most of us are accustomed to using. -----Original
> Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Maylene Bird
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:42 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Dear Ruchi,
> You might want to get the APH Math Builders Unit 6 kit. It has all kinds
> of hands-on items. I would also suggest getting the APH Graphic Aid for
> Mathematics soon if you don't have one. You will need it when he starts to
> learn how to do anything on a graph. Another APH item for drawing is the
> APH Draftsman Tactile Drawing Board. The last thing I will say is to make
> sure he learns his Nemeth code. I teach high school math at the TX School
> for the Blind, and the students who really learned their Nemeth well and
> were exposed to lots of hands-on tools are my top students. They should
> not be allowed to skip large sections of homework either just because they
> are blind.
>
> Good luck! Our Website for TSBVI has a lot of tools listed under Susan
> Osterhaus' math section.
>
> Sincerely,
> Maylene Bird
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <blindmath-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Send Blindmath mailing list submissions to
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> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Blindmath digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids (Gaylen Kapperman)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:02:48 -0600
> > From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman at niu.edu>
> > To: ruchi_patil at samruddha.net, Blind Math list for those interested in
> > mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids
> > Message-ID: <201202011802.q11I2s9B016782 at essmail.ess.niu.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > Dear Ruchi
> >
> >
> >
> > My colleagues and I have written a text on teaching math to blind
> > youngsters. We have posted it on the Texas School site at
> > www.tsbvi.edu
> > Go there and search for project math access
> > or search for
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> > and you can find lots of suggestions of all types.
> > Good luck.
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> >
> > At 11:17 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
> > >Dear All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am a mother of a 8 year old blind child. My son uses Vp Arithmetic
> from
> > >Henter math for Math at school and Marvel Math from marvelsoft for
> mental
> > >math polishing at school.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >He would be going to grade 3 now and while adapting his school textbook
> I
> > >realized that Vp Arithmetic may not be sufficient any longer for the
> > >following reasons:
> > >
> > >1. There are word problems, for which he will have to make the
> > problem
> > >and the workspace and then solve it.
> > >
> > >2. Problems now involve addition and subtraction both which again
> is
> > >not possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Eagerly waiting to hear some suggestions from you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Warm regards,
> > >
> > >Ruchi
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Blindmath mailing list
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> >
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> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 14:22:02 -0000
> From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples at aim.com>
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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> Why should someone not be allowed to skip large amounts of home work just
> because they are blind? The answer is that being blind is not the reason
> why
> it is a problem.
>
> Using what you said about writing Braille, well the issue there is the
> perkins Brailler is physically tiring to use for long periods of time not
> the fact you are blind. There may be alternative ways which may be
> acceptable to provide work, ways which may be less tiring. As an example
> for
> most exams I have dictated to a scribe for what should be written on the
> exam paper, but I also had a Braille copy of the exam paper for reading and
> a perkins Brailler for writing notes I needed for working out.
>
> Michael Whapples
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 1:50 PM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> With reference to the skipping large amounts of homework "just because they
> are blind" what is your solution if the use of the Braille writer is
> literally exhausting and painful?
> This is my issue. I read and write Braille well. I just cannot write using
> the manual Perkins for very long periods without it causing me pain and
> without wearing me out.
> I find the way you phrased this a little offensive, because it presumes
> that
> people who are blind are looking for ways to skip the homework. I don't
> think that's true. I do think that circumstances related to the tools you
> use due to your blindness can impact the need to shorten assignments to a
> level that meets the needs of both student and instructor.
>
> It's like saying "You shouldn't be allowed to take a large chunk of time
> off
> work just because you're a woman" only to realize that women who have
> babies do generally take a large chunk of time off work when the baby is
> born, and nobody bats an eye.
>
> So, can you explain your statement and provide tools to meet your need?
> Note
> "Toughen up you blind wimp" is not the right answer, because you wouldn't
> tell a sighted student to use a device that takes far more muscle strength
> and indurance then most of us are accustomed to using. -----Original
> Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Maylene Bird
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:42 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Dear Ruchi,
> You might want to get the APH Math Builders Unit 6 kit. It has all kinds
> of hands-on items. I would also suggest getting the APH Graphic Aid for
> Mathematics soon if you don't have one. You will need it when he starts to
> learn how to do anything on a graph. Another APH item for drawing is the
> APH Draftsman Tactile Drawing Board. The last thing I will say is to make
> sure he learns his Nemeth code. I teach high school math at the TX School
> for the Blind, and the students who really learned their Nemeth well and
> were exposed to lots of hands-on tools are my top students. They should
> not be allowed to skip large sections of homework either just because they
> are blind.
>
> Good luck! Our Website for TSBVI has a lot of tools listed under Susan
> Osterhaus' math section.
>
> Sincerely,
> Maylene Bird
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <blindmath-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
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> > 1. Re: Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids (Gaylen Kapperman)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:02:48 -0600
> > From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman at niu.edu>
> > To: ruchi_patil at samruddha.net, Blind Math list for those interested in
> > mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids
> > Message-ID: <201202011802.q11I2s9B016782 at essmail.ess.niu.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > Dear Ruchi
> >
> >
> >
> > My colleagues and I have written a text on teaching math to blind
> > youngsters. We have posted it on the Texas School site at
> > www.tsbvi.edu
> > Go there and search for project math access
> > or search for
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> > and you can find lots of suggestions of all types.
> > Good luck.
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> >
> > At 11:17 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
> > >Dear All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am a mother of a 8 year old blind child. My son uses Vp Arithmetic
> from
> > >Henter math for Math at school and Marvel Math from marvelsoft for
> mental
> > >math polishing at school.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >He would be going to grade 3 now and while adapting his school textbook
> I
> > >realized that Vp Arithmetic may not be sufficient any longer for the
> > >following reasons:
> > >
> > >1. There are word problems, for which he will have to make the
> > problem
> > >and the workspace and then solve it.
> > >
> > >2. Problems now involve addition and subtraction both which again
> > >is
> > >not possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Eagerly waiting to hear some suggestions from you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Warm regards,
> > >
> > >Ruchi
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 14:35:27 +0000
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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> I've heard of a Brailler that uses a touch screen v. keys. That would rule!
> My note was more meant for the teacher who to me came off as a bit high
> and mighty without providing a solution set to her statement.
>
> I agree with her point, but only if solutions are given that don't convey
> the student as being lazy. Maybe it's just me, but her post did have that
> flavor to it.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Ken Perry
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:04 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> You might want to try one of the new perkins if you have not it's a bit
> softer on the hands.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:50 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> With reference to the skipping large amounts of homework "just because they
> are blind" what is your solution if the use of the Braille writer is
> literally exhausting and painful?
> This is my issue. I read and write Braille well. I just cannot write using
> the manual Perkins for very long periods without it causing me pain and
> without wearing me out.
> I find the way you phrased this a little offensive, because it presumes
> that
> people who are blind are looking for ways to skip the homework. I don't
> think that's true. I do think that circumstances related to the tools you
> use due to your blindness can impact the need to shorten assignments to a
> level that meets the needs of both student and instructor.
>
> It's like saying "You shouldn't be allowed to take a large chunk of time
> off
> work just because you're a woman" only to realize that women who have
> babies do generally take a large chunk of time off work when the baby is
> born, and nobody bats an eye.
>
> So, can you explain your statement and provide tools to meet your need?
> Note
> "Toughen up you blind wimp" is not the right answer, because you wouldn't
> tell a sighted student to use a device that takes far more muscle strength
> and indurance then most of us are accustomed to using. -----Original
> Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Maylene Bird
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:42 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Dear Ruchi,
> You might want to get the APH Math Builders Unit 6 kit. It has all kinds
> of hands-on items. I would also suggest getting the APH Graphic Aid for
> Mathematics soon if you don't have one. You will need it when he starts to
> learn how to do anything on a graph. Another APH item for drawing is the
> APH Draftsman Tactile Drawing Board. The last thing I will say is to make
> sure he learns his Nemeth code. I teach high school math at the TX School
> for the Blind, and the students who really learned their Nemeth well and
> were exposed to lots of hands-on tools are my top students. They should
> not be allowed to skip large sections of homework either just because they
> are blind.
>
> Good luck! Our Website for TSBVI has a lot of tools listed under Susan
> Osterhaus' math section.
>
> Sincerely,
> Maylene Bird
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <blindmath-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids (Gaylen Kapperman)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:02:48 -0600
> > From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman at niu.edu>
> > To: ruchi_patil at samruddha.net, Blind Math list for those interested in
> > mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids
> > Message-ID: <201202011802.q11I2s9B016782 at essmail.ess.niu.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > Dear Ruchi
> >
> >
> >
> > My colleagues and I have written a text on teaching math to blind
> > youngsters. We have posted it on the Texas School site at
> > www.tsbvi.edu
> > Go there and search for project math access
> > or search for
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> > and you can find lots of suggestions of all types.
> > Good luck.
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> >
> > At 11:17 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
> > >Dear All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am a mother of a 8 year old blind child. My son uses Vp Arithmetic
> from
> > >Henter math for Math at school and Marvel Math from marvelsoft for
> mental
> > >math polishing at school.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >He would be going to grade 3 now and while adapting his school textbook
> I
> > >realized that Vp Arithmetic may not be sufficient any longer for the
> > >following reasons:
> > >
> > >1. There are word problems, for which he will have to make the
> > problem
> > >and the workspace and then solve it.
> > >
> > >2. Problems now involve addition and subtraction both which again
> is
> > >not possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Eagerly waiting to hear some suggestions from you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Warm regards,
> > >
> > >Ruchi
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:18:32 +0000
> From: "Lewicki, Maureen" <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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> When I read Maylene's note, as a TVI, I immediately thought of
> conversations I have had with classroom teachers who have said. "Well the
> student can skip this because how will they need it in the future." It
> always raises the hair on the back of my neck, but I try to professionally
> respond, and mention to them that blind students are attaining great
> things, probably because they were exposed to and expected to attain good
> math skills, including Dr. Nemith.
>
> I think perhaps Maylene was expressing her desire to see blind children
> get the right materials so they do not have to live by the rule "Because
> you are blind, you cannot...."
>
> I personally did not get the impression she was calling anyone lazy. As a
> TVI I am sure she has worked with many a go-getter as I have.
>
> Have a great day.
>
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Teacher of Visually Impaired
> Bethlehem Central Schools
> (518)439-7681
> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in
> our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:35 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> I've heard of a Brailler that uses a touch screen v. keys. That would rule!
> My note was more meant for the teacher who to me came off as a bit high
> and mighty without providing a solution set to her statement.
>
> I agree with her point, but only if solutions are given that don't convey
> the student as being lazy. Maybe it's just me, but her post did have that
> flavor to it.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Ken Perry
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:04 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> You might want to try one of the new perkins if you have not it's a bit
> softer on the hands.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:50 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> With reference to the skipping large amounts of homework "just because
> they are blind" what is your solution if the use of the Braille writer is
> literally exhausting and painful?
> This is my issue. I read and write Braille well. I just cannot write using
> the manual Perkins for very long periods without it causing me pain and
> without wearing me out.
> I find the way you phrased this a little offensive, because it presumes
> that people who are blind are looking for ways to skip the homework. I
> don't think that's true. I do think that circumstances related to the
> tools you use due to your blindness can impact the need to shorten
> assignments to a level that meets the needs of both student and instructor.
>
> It's like saying "You shouldn't be allowed to take a large chunk of time
> off work just because you're a woman" only to realize that women who have
> babies do generally take a large chunk of time off work when the baby is
> born, and nobody bats an eye.
>
> So, can you explain your statement and provide tools to meet your need?
> Note "Toughen up you blind wimp" is not the right answer, because you
> wouldn't tell a sighted student to use a device that takes far more muscle
> strength and indurance then most of us are accustomed to using.
> -----Original
> Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Maylene Bird
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:42 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Dear Ruchi,
> You might want to get the APH Math Builders Unit 6 kit. It has all kinds
> of hands-on items. I would also suggest getting the APH Graphic Aid for
> Mathematics soon if you don't have one. You will need it when he starts to
> learn how to do anything on a graph. Another APH item for drawing is the
> APH Draftsman Tactile Drawing Board. The last thing I will say is to make
> sure he learns his Nemeth code. I teach high school math at the TX School
> for the Blind, and the students who really learned their Nemeth well and
> were exposed to lots of hands-on tools are my top students. They should
> not be allowed to skip large sections of homework either just because they
> are blind.
>
> Good luck! Our Website for TSBVI has a lot of tools listed under Susan
> Osterhaus' math section.
>
> Sincerely,
> Maylene Bird
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <blindmath-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Send Blindmath mailing list submissions to
> > blindmath at nfbnet.org
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> > than "Re: Contents of Blindmath digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids (Gaylen Kapperman)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:02:48 -0600
> > From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman at niu.edu>
> > To: ruchi_patil at samruddha.net, Blind Math list for those interested in
> > mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids
> > Message-ID: <201202011802.q11I2s9B016782 at essmail.ess.niu.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > Dear Ruchi
> >
> >
> >
> > My colleagues and I have written a text on teaching math to blind
> > youngsters. We have posted it on the Texas School site at
> > www.tsbvi.edu Go there and search for project math access or search
> > for Gaylen Kapperman and you can find lots of suggestions of all
> > types.
> > Good luck.
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> >
> > At 11:17 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
> > >Dear All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am a mother of a 8 year old blind child. My son uses Vp Arithmetic
> > >from Henter math for Math at school and Marvel Math from marvelsoft
> > >for mental math polishing at school.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >He would be going to grade 3 now and while adapting his school
> > >textbook I realized that Vp Arithmetic may not be sufficient any
> > >longer for the following reasons:
> > >
> > >1. There are word problems, for which he will have to make the
> > problem
> > >and the workspace and then solve it.
> > >
> > >2. Problems now involve addition and subtraction both which again
> is
> > >not possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Eagerly waiting to hear some suggestions from you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Warm regards,
> > >
> > >Ruchi
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Blindmath mailing list
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> From: "Lewicki, Maureen" <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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> I agree. Michael. I also find, if it can be afforded, that the braille
> note-takers is a boon for the blind...the keys are light and easily respond
> to touch. It also allows for 'sticky keys so if one hand is weak, the other
> can be used for two-handed entries
>
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Teacher of Visually Impaired
> Bethlehem Central Schools
> (518)439-7681
> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in
> our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Michael Whapples
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:22 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Why should someone not be allowed to skip large amounts of home work just
> because they are blind? The answer is that being blind is not the reason
> why it is a problem.
>
> Using what you said about writing Braille, well the issue there is the
> perkins Brailler is physically tiring to use for long periods of time not
> the fact you are blind. There may be alternative ways which may be
> acceptable to provide work, ways which may be less tiring. As an example
> for most exams I have dictated to a scribe for what should be written on
> the exam paper, but I also had a Braille copy of the exam paper for reading
> and a perkins Brailler for writing notes I needed for working out.
>
> Michael Whapples
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 1:50 PM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> With reference to the skipping large amounts of homework "just because
> they are blind" what is your solution if the use of the Braille writer is
> literally exhausting and painful?
> This is my issue. I read and write Braille well. I just cannot write using
> the manual Perkins for very long periods without it causing me pain and
> without wearing me out.
> I find the way you phrased this a little offensive, because it presumes
> that people who are blind are looking for ways to skip the homework. I
> don't think that's true. I do think that circumstances related to the
> tools you use due to your blindness can impact the need to shorten
> assignments to a level that meets the needs of both student and instructor.
>
> It's like saying "You shouldn't be allowed to take a large chunk of time
> off work just because you're a woman" only to realize that women who have
> babies do generally take a large chunk of time off work when the baby is
> born, and nobody bats an eye.
>
> So, can you explain your statement and provide tools to meet your need?
> Note "Toughen up you blind wimp" is not the right answer, because you
> wouldn't tell a sighted student to use a device that takes far more muscle
> strength and indurance then most of us are accustomed to using.
> -----Original
> Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Maylene Bird
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:42 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Dear Ruchi,
> You might want to get the APH Math Builders Unit 6 kit. It has all kinds
> of hands-on items. I would also suggest getting the APH Graphic Aid for
> Mathematics soon if you don't have one. You will need it when he starts to
> learn how to do anything on a graph. Another APH item for drawing is the
> APH Draftsman Tactile Drawing Board. The last thing I will say is to make
> sure he learns his Nemeth code. I teach high school math at the TX School
> for the Blind, and the students who really learned their Nemeth well and
> were exposed to lots of hands-on tools are my top students. They should
> not be allowed to skip large sections of homework either just because they
> are blind.
>
> Good luck! Our Website for TSBVI has a lot of tools listed under Susan
> Osterhaus' math section.
>
> Sincerely,
> Maylene Bird
>
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> > 1. Re: Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids (Gaylen Kapperman)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:02:48 -0600
> > From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman at niu.edu>
> > To: ruchi_patil at samruddha.net, Blind Math list for those interested in
> > mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids
> > Message-ID: <201202011802.q11I2s9B016782 at essmail.ess.niu.edu>
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> > Dear Ruchi
> >
> >
> >
> > My colleagues and I have written a text on teaching math to blind
> > youngsters. We have posted it on the Texas School site at
> > www.tsbvi.edu Go there and search for project math access or search
> > for Gaylen Kapperman and you can find lots of suggestions of all
> > types.
> > Good luck.
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> >
> > At 11:17 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
> > >Dear All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am a mother of a 8 year old blind child. My son uses Vp Arithmetic
> > >from Henter math for Math at school and Marvel Math from marvelsoft
> > >for mental math polishing at school.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >He would be going to grade 3 now and while adapting his school
> > >textbook I realized that Vp Arithmetic may not be sufficient any
> > >longer for the following reasons:
> > >
> > >1. There are word problems, for which he will have to make the
> > problem
> > >and the workspace and then solve it.
> > >
> > >2. Problems now involve addition and subtraction both which again
> > >is
> > >not possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Eagerly waiting to hear some suggestions from you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Warm regards,
> > >
> > >Ruchi
> > >
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:18:59 +0000
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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> Thank you for this perspective. It may very well have been what the other
> teacher meant.
>
> I just wanted to be sure the teacher wasn't suggesting that the student do
> something that is untennable given the physical tools at hand.
> Notetakers weren't around back in the day when I was dealing with this
> issue. All I had was the old Perkins Brailler. And, it was a beast
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Lewicki, Maureen
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 10:19 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> When I read Maylene's note, as a TVI, I immediately thought of
> conversations I have had with classroom teachers who have said. "Well the
> student can skip this because how will they need it in the future." It
> always raises the hair on the back of my neck, but I try to professionally
> respond, and mention to them that blind students are attaining great
> things, probably because they were exposed to and expected to attain good
> math skills, including Dr. Nemith.
>
> I think perhaps Maylene was expressing her desire to see blind children
> get the right materials so they do not have to live by the rule "Because
> you are blind, you cannot...."
>
> I personally did not get the impression she was calling anyone lazy. As a
> TVI I am sure she has worked with many a go-getter as I have.
>
> Have a great day.
>
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Teacher of Visually Impaired
> Bethlehem Central Schools
> (518)439-7681
> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in
> our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:35 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> I've heard of a Brailler that uses a touch screen v. keys. That would rule!
> My note was more meant for the teacher who to me came off as a bit high
> and mighty without providing a solution set to her statement.
>
> I agree with her point, but only if solutions are given that don't convey
> the student as being lazy. Maybe it's just me, but her post did have that
> flavor to it.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Ken Perry
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:04 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> You might want to try one of the new perkins if you have not it's a bit
> softer on the hands.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:50 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> With reference to the skipping large amounts of homework "just because
> they are blind" what is your solution if the use of the Braille writer is
> literally exhausting and painful?
> This is my issue. I read and write Braille well. I just cannot write using
> the manual Perkins for very long periods without it causing me pain and
> without wearing me out.
> I find the way you phrased this a little offensive, because it presumes
> that people who are blind are looking for ways to skip the homework. I
> don't think that's true. I do think that circumstances related to the
> tools you use due to your blindness can impact the need to shorten
> assignments to a level that meets the needs of both student and instructor.
>
> It's like saying "You shouldn't be allowed to take a large chunk of time
> off work just because you're a woman" only to realize that women who have
> babies do generally take a large chunk of time off work when the baby is
> born, and nobody bats an eye.
>
> So, can you explain your statement and provide tools to meet your need?
> Note "Toughen up you blind wimp" is not the right answer, because you
> wouldn't tell a sighted student to use a device that takes far more muscle
> strength and indurance then most of us are accustomed to using.
> -----Original
> Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Maylene Bird
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:42 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Dear Ruchi,
> You might want to get the APH Math Builders Unit 6 kit. It has all kinds
> of hands-on items. I would also suggest getting the APH Graphic Aid for
> Mathematics soon if you don't have one. You will need it when he starts to
> learn how to do anything on a graph. Another APH item for drawing is the
> APH Draftsman Tactile Drawing Board. The last thing I will say is to make
> sure he learns his Nemeth code. I teach high school math at the TX School
> for the Blind, and the students who really learned their Nemeth well and
> were exposed to lots of hands-on tools are my top students. They should
> not be allowed to skip large sections of homework either just because they
> are blind.
>
> Good luck! Our Website for TSBVI has a lot of tools listed under Susan
> Osterhaus' math section.
>
> Sincerely,
> Maylene Bird
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <blindmath-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
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> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids (Gaylen Kapperman)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:02:48 -0600
> > From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman at niu.edu>
> > To: ruchi_patil at samruddha.net, Blind Math list for those interested in
> > mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids
> > Message-ID: <201202011802.q11I2s9B016782 at essmail.ess.niu.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > Dear Ruchi
> >
> >
> >
> > My colleagues and I have written a text on teaching math to blind
> > youngsters. We have posted it on the Texas School site at
> > www.tsbvi.edu Go there and search for project math access or search
> > for Gaylen Kapperman and you can find lots of suggestions of all
> > types.
> > Good luck.
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> >
> > At 11:17 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
> > >Dear All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am a mother of a 8 year old blind child. My son uses Vp Arithmetic
> > >from Henter math for Math at school and Marvel Math from marvelsoft
> > >for mental math polishing at school.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >He would be going to grade 3 now and while adapting his school
> > >textbook I realized that Vp Arithmetic may not be sufficient any
> > >longer for the following reasons:
> > >
> > >1. There are word problems, for which he will have to make the
> > problem
> > >and the workspace and then solve it.
> > >
> > >2. Problems now involve addition and subtraction both which again
> is
> > >not possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Eagerly waiting to hear some suggestions from you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Warm regards,
> > >
> > >Ruchi
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:30:16 -0000
> From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples at aim.com>
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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>
> Hello,
> I agree with what you said Maureen, I didn't take the original statement to
> imply laziness on the blind student's part either. In fact sometimes I get
> the feeling if the suggestion of work being skipped is put forward it is
> more laziness/seeking the simpler option on the part of those teaching (it
> avoids the problem instead of solving it), but again that is not always the
> case either.
>
> Another thing I nearly mentioned in my other message, if its acceptable for
> the blind student to skip some work, then why does anyone do that work?
> Either the work in question is not needed or the blind student is missing
> out on part of the learning other students get. We have enough challenges
> anyway, so let's not add a poorer education to the list.
>
> Michael Whapples
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lewicki, Maureen
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 3:18 PM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> When I read Maylene's note, as a TVI, I immediately thought of
> conversations
> I have had with classroom teachers who have said. "Well the student can
> skip
> this because how will they need it in the future." It always raises the
> hair
> on the back of my neck, but I try to professionally respond, and mention to
> them that blind students are attaining great things, probably because they
> were exposed to and expected to attain good math skills, including Dr.
> Nemith.
>
> I think perhaps Maylene was expressing her desire to see blind children get
> the right materials so they do not have to live by the rule "Because you
> are
> blind, you cannot...."
>
> I personally did not get the impression she was calling anyone lazy. As a
> TVI I am sure she has worked with many a go-getter as I have.
>
> Have a great day.
>
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Teacher of Visually Impaired
> Bethlehem Central Schools
> (518)439-7681
> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in
> our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:35 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> I've heard of a Brailler that uses a touch screen v. keys. That would rule!
> My note was more meant for the teacher who to me came off as a bit high and
> mighty without providing a solution set to her statement.
>
> I agree with her point, but only if solutions are given that don't convey
> the student as being lazy. Maybe it's just me, but her post did have that
> flavor to it.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Ken Perry
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:04 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> You might want to try one of the new perkins if you have not it's a bit
> softer on the hands.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:50 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> With reference to the skipping large amounts of homework "just because they
> are blind" what is your solution if the use of the Braille writer is
> literally exhausting and painful?
> This is my issue. I read and write Braille well. I just cannot write using
> the manual Perkins for very long periods without it causing me pain and
> without wearing me out.
> I find the way you phrased this a little offensive, because it presumes
> that
> people who are blind are looking for ways to skip the homework. I don't
> think that's true. I do think that circumstances related to the tools you
> use due to your blindness can impact the need to shorten assignments to a
> level that meets the needs of both student and instructor.
>
> It's like saying "You shouldn't be allowed to take a large chunk of time
> off
> work just because you're a woman" only to realize that women who have
> babies do generally take a large chunk of time off work when the baby is
> born, and nobody bats an eye.
>
> So, can you explain your statement and provide tools to meet your need?
> Note
> "Toughen up you blind wimp" is not the right answer, because you wouldn't
> tell a sighted student to use a device that takes far more muscle strength
> and indurance then most of us are accustomed to using. -----Original
> Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Maylene Bird
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:42 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Dear Ruchi,
> You might want to get the APH Math Builders Unit 6 kit. It has all kinds
> of
> hands-on items. I would also suggest getting the APH Graphic Aid for
> Mathematics soon if you don't have one. You will need it when he starts to
> learn how to do anything on a graph. Another APH item for drawing is the
> APH Draftsman Tactile Drawing Board. The last thing I will say is to make
> sure he learns his Nemeth code. I teach high school math at the TX School
> for the Blind, and the students who really learned their Nemeth well and
> were exposed to lots of hands-on tools are my top students. They should
> not
> be allowed to skip large sections of homework either just because they are
> blind.
>
> Good luck! Our Website for TSBVI has a lot of tools listed under Susan
> Osterhaus' math section.
>
> Sincerely,
> Maylene Bird
>
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> > 1. Re: Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids (Gaylen Kapperman)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:02:48 -0600
> > From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman at niu.edu>
> > To: ruchi_patil at samruddha.net, Blind Math list for those interested in
> > mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids
> > Message-ID: <201202011802.q11I2s9B016782 at essmail.ess.niu.edu>
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> > Dear Ruchi
> >
> >
> >
> > My colleagues and I have written a text on teaching math to blind
> > youngsters. We have posted it on the Texas School site at
> > www.tsbvi.edu Go there and search for project math access or search
> > for Gaylen Kapperman and you can find lots of suggestions of all
> > types.
> > Good luck.
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> >
> > At 11:17 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
> > >Dear All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am a mother of a 8 year old blind child. My son uses Vp Arithmetic
> > >from Henter math for Math at school and Marvel Math from marvelsoft
> > >for mental math polishing at school.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >He would be going to grade 3 now and while adapting his school
> > >textbook I realized that Vp Arithmetic may not be sufficient any
> > >longer for the following reasons:
> > >
> > >1. There are word problems, for which he will have to make the
> > problem
> > >and the workspace and then solve it.
> > >
> > >2. Problems now involve addition and subtraction both which again
> is
> > >not possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Eagerly waiting to hear some suggestions from you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Warm regards,
> > >
> > >Ruchi
> > >
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> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:42:33 +0000
> From: "Lewicki, Maureen" <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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> You are correct, it is a beast! But I sometimes trust it more than
> anything else. My students know that I call mine, Trusty Dusty!
>
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Teacher of Visually Impaired
> Bethlehem Central Schools
> (518)439-7681
> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in
> our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 11:19 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Thank you for this perspective. It may very well have been what the other
> teacher meant.
>
> I just wanted to be sure the teacher wasn't suggesting that the student do
> something that is untennable given the physical tools at hand.
> Notetakers weren't around back in the day when I was dealing with this
> issue. All I had was the old Perkins Brailler. And, it was a beast
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Lewicki, Maureen
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 10:19 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> When I read Maylene's note, as a TVI, I immediately thought of
> conversations I have had with classroom teachers who have said. "Well the
> student can skip this because how will they need it in the future." It
> always raises the hair on the back of my neck, but I try to professionally
> respond, and mention to them that blind students are attaining great
> things, probably because they were exposed to and expected to attain good
> math skills, including Dr. Nemith.
>
> I think perhaps Maylene was expressing her desire to see blind children
> get the right materials so they do not have to live by the rule "Because
> you are blind, you cannot...."
>
> I personally did not get the impression she was calling anyone lazy. As a
> TVI I am sure she has worked with many a go-getter as I have.
>
> Have a great day.
>
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Teacher of Visually Impaired
> Bethlehem Central Schools
> (518)439-7681
> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in
> our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:35 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> I've heard of a Brailler that uses a touch screen v. keys. That would rule!
> My note was more meant for the teacher who to me came off as a bit high
> and mighty without providing a solution set to her statement.
>
> I agree with her point, but only if solutions are given that don't convey
> the student as being lazy. Maybe it's just me, but her post did have that
> flavor to it.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Ken Perry
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:04 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> You might want to try one of the new perkins if you have not it's a bit
> softer on the hands.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:50 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> With reference to the skipping large amounts of homework "just because
> they are blind" what is your solution if the use of the Braille writer is
> literally exhausting and painful?
> This is my issue. I read and write Braille well. I just cannot write using
> the manual Perkins for very long periods without it causing me pain and
> without wearing me out.
> I find the way you phrased this a little offensive, because it presumes
> that people who are blind are looking for ways to skip the homework. I
> don't think that's true. I do think that circumstances related to the
> tools you use due to your blindness can impact the need to shorten
> assignments to a level that meets the needs of both student and instructor.
>
> It's like saying "You shouldn't be allowed to take a large chunk of time
> off work just because you're a woman" only to realize that women who have
> babies do generally take a large chunk of time off work when the baby is
> born, and nobody bats an eye.
>
> So, can you explain your statement and provide tools to meet your need?
> Note "Toughen up you blind wimp" is not the right answer, because you
> wouldn't tell a sighted student to use a device that takes far more muscle
> strength and indurance then most of us are accustomed to using.
> -----Original
> Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Maylene Bird
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:42 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Dear Ruchi,
> You might want to get the APH Math Builders Unit 6 kit. It has all kinds
> of hands-on items. I would also suggest getting the APH Graphic Aid for
> Mathematics soon if you don't have one. You will need it when he starts to
> learn how to do anything on a graph. Another APH item for drawing is the
> APH Draftsman Tactile Drawing Board. The last thing I will say is to make
> sure he learns his Nemeth code. I teach high school math at the TX School
> for the Blind, and the students who really learned their Nemeth well and
> were exposed to lots of hands-on tools are my top students. They should
> not be allowed to skip large sections of homework either just because they
> are blind.
>
> Good luck! Our Website for TSBVI has a lot of tools listed under Susan
> Osterhaus' math section.
>
> Sincerely,
> Maylene Bird
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <blindmath-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Send Blindmath mailing list submissions to
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> > than "Re: Contents of Blindmath digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids (Gaylen Kapperman)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:02:48 -0600
> > From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman at niu.edu>
> > To: ruchi_patil at samruddha.net, Blind Math list for those interested in
> > mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Arithmetic and Geometry tools for kids
> > Message-ID: <201202011802.q11I2s9B016782 at essmail.ess.niu.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > Dear Ruchi
> >
> >
> >
> > My colleagues and I have written a text on teaching math to blind
> > youngsters. We have posted it on the Texas School site at
> > www.tsbvi.edu Go there and search for project math access or search
> > for Gaylen Kapperman and you can find lots of suggestions of all
> > types.
> > Good luck.
> > Gaylen Kapperman
> >
> > At 11:17 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
> > >Dear All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am a mother of a 8 year old blind child. My son uses Vp Arithmetic
> > >from Henter math for Math at school and Marvel Math from marvelsoft
> > >for mental math polishing at school.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >He would be going to grade 3 now and while adapting his school
> > >textbook I realized that Vp Arithmetic may not be sufficient any
> > >longer for the following reasons:
> > >
> > >1. There are word problems, for which he will have to make the
> > problem
> > >and the workspace and then solve it.
> > >
> > >2. Problems now involve addition and subtraction both which again
> is
> > >not possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Eagerly waiting to hear some suggestions from you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Warm regards,
> > >
> > >Ruchi
> > >
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