[Blindmath] APH answer to 3d graphing paper

Fri Nov 22 19:50:11 UTC 2013

Pretty well, actually. I'm not quite finished with calculus III, but the 
shapes were very useful for understanding concepts like traces. They were 
very well done - you could actually feel the traces. Maybe the student could 
get some of these made?
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> How well did this turn out?
>
>
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> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda
> Lacy
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 2:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] APH answer to 3d graphing paper
>
> I have some hypercool 3D calculus shapes representing functions with two
> independent variables which were produced on a 3D Printer.
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>>I think you mean that the information can't adequately be represented
>>into dimensional form. It can be represented tactilely as long as it's
>>in three dimensions. I don't know if this information can be put on a
>>3-D coordinate grid, or how helpful it would be, if I were doing it, I
>>would want a 3-D shape of the function, with a table of important
> coordinates.
>>
>>> On Nov 22, 2013, at 10:00 AM, "Mary Woodyard"
>>> <marywoodyard at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> FYI - I sent this same question to APH and this is the response I got.
>>>
>>> "We do not have any 3-D graph paper as shown in your example at APH,
>>> nor am I aware that it is available anywhere else. Technically
>>> speaking, 3-D graphing may be OK for low vision students but not
>>> appropriate for braille readers because depth information is not
>>> possible to be represented in tactile graphics."
>>>
>>> I am going to just hope for the best and be glad it's a short unit!
>>>
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>>>   1. suggestions for accessible 3d graphing paper giids (Mary Woodyard)
>>>   2. Re: suggestions for accessible 3d graphing paper giids
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>>> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 05:58:41 -0500
>>> From: "Mary Woodyard" <marywoodyard at comcast.net>
>>> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [Blindmath] suggestions for accessible 3d graphing paper
>>>    giids
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>>> My son will be starting a 3d graphing unit that is fairly short (2
>>> weeks) in about a week.  He spent some time searching online with his
>>> Math tutor for 3d Graphing paper and this is the graph paper that
>>> they found that worked the best for his vision from what they were
>>> able to find in free 3d graph paper options.  Does anyone know of a
>>> more accessible free (or low cost) option?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mary Woodyard
>>> Parent, 17 year old visually impaired student
>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:21:50 -0800
>>> From: "John Gardner" <gardnerj at onid.orst.edu>
>>> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
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>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Latex training
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>>> Another suggestion.  There's lots of Latex materials on
>>> www.access2science.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Godfrey, Jonathan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:42 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Latex training
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>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> I haven't got access to the net with sufficient time to find the
>>> exact link for you but look for the Summery University held in
>>> conjunction with the ICCHP. Sessions were recorded from 2010 onwards.
>>> I'm not sure if the 2013 ones are uploaded yet but the files
>>> mentioned should all be there for reference purposes.
>>> J
>>>
>>>
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>>> Paul Chapin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 21 November 2013 8:51 a.m.
>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>> Subject: [Blindmath] Latex training
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for suggestions for material, courses, tutorials or
>>> anything else that can be used to teach a student the basics of Latex.
>>>
>>> Paul Chapin
>>> Academic Technology Specialist
>>> Amherst College
>>> X2144
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:00:00 +0100
>>> From: Andrew Stacey <andrew.stacey at math.ntnu.no>
>>> To: Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [Blindmath] A project to advance MathML support in browsers
>>> Message-ID: <20131121080000.GA590 at dhcp-020041.wlan.ntnu.no>
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>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I'd like to bring to everyone's attention a project to advance
>>> browser and e-reader support for MathML.  The project description
>>> itself is very detailed, and explicitly mentions the issue of
>>> accessibility in the motivation section.
>>>
>>> The person behind this project is Fr?d?ric Wang.  He is one of the
>>> people who has worked hard on MathML support in browser technology
>>> over the last few years, so is best placed to know what the issues
>>> are and what the next stage in development should be.  So if anyone
>>> is going to improved matters, he's the best choice.
>>>
>>> He's looking for funding so that he can spend some time concentrating
>>> on MathML development and the website is on a crowd-funding site
>>> where people can contribute.  The actual amount that he is trying to
>>> raise is not actually all that much, particularly given the
>>> wide-ranging benefits that could follow from this.
>>>
>>> I hope that all of you will consider supporting this project, and
>>> that some of you will actually do so.
>>>
>>> The website is: http://www.ulule.com/mathematics-ebooks/
>>>
>>> Andrew Stacey
>>>
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>>> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:05:19 +0000
>>> From: "Lewicki, Maureen" <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>
>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>>    <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] suggestions for accessible 3d graphing paper
>>>    giids
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>>> I am not familiar with three d graph paper, unless you are referring
>>> to the paper from APH? I find my student fare best with the graph
>>> board from aph
>>>
>>> Maureen Lewicki
>>> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
>>> Bethlehem Central Schools
>>> 700 Delaware Avenue
>>> Delmar, NY 12054
>>> http://bcsd.k12.ny.us/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 22, 2013, at 5:59 AM, "Mary Woodyard"
>>> <marywoodyard at comcast.net<mailto:marywoodyard at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My son will be starting a 3d graphing unit that is fairly short (2
>>> weeks) in about a week.  He spent some time searching online with his
>>> Math tutor for 3d Graphing paper and this is the graph paper that
>>> they found that worked the best for his vision from what they were
>>> able to find in free 3d graph paper options.  Does anyone know of a
>>> more accessible free (or low cost) option?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mary Woodyard
>>> Parent, 17 year old visually impaired student
>>>
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>>>  1. Re: Latex training (John Gardner)  2. A project to advance MathML
>>> support in browsers (Andrew Stacey)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:21:50 -0800
>>> From: "John Gardner"
>>> <gardnerj at onid.orst.edu<mailto:gardnerj at onid.orst.edu>>
>>> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
>>>   <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Latex training
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <00cd01cee671$334eac90$99ec05b0$@orst.edu<mailto:00cd01cee671$334eac9
>>> 0$99ec0
>>> 5b0$@orst.edu>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Another suggestion.  There's lots of Latex materials on
>>> www.access2science.com<http://www.access2science.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Godfrey, Jonathan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:42 PM
>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Latex training
>>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> I haven't got access to the net with sufficient time to find the
>>> exact link for you but look for the Summery University held in
>>> conjunction with the ICCHP. Sessions were recorded from 2010 onwards.
>>> I'm not sure if the 2013 ones are uploaded yet but the files
>>> mentioned should all be there for reference purposes.
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Paul Chapin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 21 November 2013 8:51 a.m.
>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>> Subject: [Blindmath] Latex training
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for suggestions for material, courses, tutorials or
>>> anything else that can be used to teach a student the basics of Latex.
>>>
>>> Paul Chapin
>>> Academic Technology Specialist
>>> Amherst College
>>> X2144
>>>
>>> Amherst College IT staff will never ask for your password, including
>>> by email. Any email asking for any password or username is almost
>>> certainly bogus. Never click on a link in an email to a site that
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:00:00 +0100
>>> From: Andrew Stacey
>>> <andrew.stacey at math.ntnu.no<mailto:andrew.stacey at math.ntnu.no>>
>>> To: Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
>>> Subject: [Blindmath] A project to advance MathML support in browsers
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I'd like to bring to everyone's attention a project to advance
>>> browser and e-reader support for MathML.  The project description
>>> itself is very detailed, and explicitly mentions the issue of
>>> accessibility in the motivation section.
>>>
>>> The person behind this project is Fr?d?ric Wang.  He is one of the
>>> people who has worked hard on MathML support in browser technology
>>> over the last few years, so is best placed to know what the issues
>>> are and what the next stage in development should be.  So if anyone
>>> is going to improved matters, he's the best choice.
>>>
>>> He's looking for funding so that he can spend some time concentrating
>>> on MathML development and the website is on a crowd-funding site
>>> where people can contribute.  The actual amount that he is trying to
>>> raise is not actually all that much, particularly given the
>>> wide-ranging benefits that could follow from this.
>>>
>>> I hope that all of you will consider supporting this project, and
>>> that some of you will actually do so.
>>>
>>> The website is: http://www.ulule.com/mathematics-ebooks/
>>>
>>> Andrew Stacey
>>>
>>>
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