[BlindMath] Transitioning from Completely Visual Math to Less Visual Math

[David Andrews]

This did not work for me. It came up in German, 
and I found a link for English, but no change.

Dave

At 01:55 PM 4/3/2017, you wrote:
>Hi, here is a Link to "Hyperbraille": 
>http://www.hyperbraille.de/?lang=en I hope it 
>helps Kind regards Niels 2017-04-03 18:13 
>GMT+02:00, White, Jason J via BlindMath 
><blindmath at nfbnet.org>: > So far as I know, 
>braille displays with multiple lines of text do 
>not exist > (except perhaps as research 
>prototypes). As I recall, Pappenmeier used to > 
>have (and perhaps still sell) displays with 
>vertical components offering a > small number of 
>cells that can serve to provide navigation 
>support, but > they're not full lines of text 
>that can be used for reading. > >> -----Original 
>Message----- >> From: BlindMath 
>[mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>Of Derek >> Scott Riemer via BlindMath >> Sent: 
>Monday, April 3, 2017 12:08 PM >> To: Blind Math 
>list for those interested in mathematics >> 
><blindmath at nfbnet.org> >> Cc: Derek Scott Riemer 
><Derek.Riemer at colorado.edu>; John Gardner >> 
><gardnerj at oregonstate.edu> >> Subject: Re: 
>[BlindMath] Transitioning from Completely Visual 
>Math to >> Less >> Visual Math >> >> No screen 
>reader on the market knows how to work with 
>multiple line >> braille >> displays as of this 
>time. >> >> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 7:59 PM, John 
>Gardner via BlindMath < >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: >> >> > Hi, I am unaware of any braille 
>displays with more than one line. Do >> > you 
>have references? One word of caution. Having 
>multiple lines is >> > useful only if the 
>software displays information the way it needs 
>to >> > be displayed semantically. This is not 
>at all automatic, so even if >> > you spent a 
>lot of money to purchase a multiple-line 
>display, it could >> > be not very useful if the 
>lines are not properly aligned. I don't 
>even >> > know how to ask the right questions to 
>find out. >> > >> > John >> > >> > -----Original 
>Message----- >> > From: BlindMath 
>[mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>Of >> > Nicholas J via BlindMath >> > Sent: 
>Sunday, April 2, 2017 12:33 PM >> > To: 
>blindmath at nfbnet.org >> > Cc: Nicholas J 
><314nick15 at gmail.com> >> > Subject: Re: 
>[BlindMath] Transitioning from Completely Visual 
>Math to >> > Less Visual Math >> > >> > Thank 
>you to everyone for all the help. I was looking 
>at different >> > braille displays and saw some 
>that are one, two, three, or four lines. >> > 
>How many lines would be the best for statistics? 
>I was told before >> > that one line may not be 
>enough for proofs or long problems that 
>would >> > need different parts to be seen at 
>once. I wasn't sure if even two, >> > three, or 
>four is enough, but it seems like there is the 
>choice for >> > only one through four lines. How 
>good will I need to be in braille >> > before I 
>can >> use it for statistics? >> > >> > Thank 
>you, >> > Nicholas >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 28, 
>2017 at 11:21 PM, Nicholas J 
><314nick15 at gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > 
>Hello, >> > > >> > > I’m considering doing a 
>Master’s in statistics, but I do not want 
>to >> > > go back to the technology that I used 
>before. I used a cctv to view >> > > the board 
>and zoomtext as a screen magnifier. All the 
>cctvs I have >> > > used have still left me not 
>able to see what was happening in most >> > > of 
>my classes before and zoomtext made things 
>slower for me because >> > > of so much 
>magnification. Right now I am transitioning to 
>using Jaws >> > > for the computer, but I am not 
>sure what to do for things like the >> > > 
>boards in classes, writing, and things like 
>that. I don’t write >> > > notes because I am 
>slow at it since I have to write big and 
>I >> > > usually still can’t understand what I 
>wrote because of how quickly I >> > > wrote it 
>and how unreadable it is. I have been looking at 
>doing >> > > things in braille, but am not sure 
>if that is the best way to go. I >> > > thought 
>it might take a lot of time also to learn it. I 
>still think >> > > it may be helpful in some 
>situations (maybe graphics which I could >> > > 
>almost never discern correctly the more 
>complicated they got). I >> > > have been 
>reading through all the posts here about latex 
>and having >> > > Jaws read them and other kinds 
>of technologies, but I am not sure >> > > what 
>kinds of technology are best for the transition 
>of doing >> > > everything visually to doing 
>things less visually. My vision has >> > > 
>always stayed the same, but the field I am >> > 
>working in is statistics and it gets very small 
>and specific for >> > notation and 
>everything. >> > > Main Question: What 
>technology and how can I do math more >> > > 
>electronically and less visually? I am learning 
>Jaws, braille, and >> > 
>Kurzweil. >> > > >> > > >> > > Thank you, >> > > >> > > Nicholas >> >