[Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 127, Issue 19

Sat Feb 25 12:27:01 UTC 2017

will I in this case, need NVDA then?

I really want to get to grips with LaTEX

Regards,

Tolga.

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>    1. Re: Accessible math study materials (Gayle Yarnall)
>    2. math type accessibility with jaws screen reader, (tolga karatas)
>    3. Re: math type accessibility with jaws screen reader, (Louis Maher)
>    4. Re: math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
>       (tolga karatas)
>    5. Re: math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
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> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 07:42:02 -0500
> From: "Gayle Yarnall" <gayle at gayleconnected.com>
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> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda
> via Blindmath
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:45 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Cc: Miranda
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Accessible math study materials
>
> I'm familiar with this, but it's my understanding that as someone who is
> completely blind, this only works so far before he starts to reference
> colors and visual objects that he's pointing to. Any thoughts on this?
> Thanks!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Zachary Mason via Blindmath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Another thing you might want to try is Khan Academy. You can find them
>> both on YouTube and the App Store.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Miranda B. via Blindmath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> In preparation for taking my psychology statistics course, a friend
>>> who has taken this course suggested that I see if the psychology
>>> department would be willing to simply assess me on the math skills
>>> necessary for that course, rather than try to deal with an
>>> inaccessible math placement test through the ILrn software, and then
>>> inaccessibility of the My Math Lab software in 3-4 prerequisit
>>> courses, before I can even get to the psychology statistics course.
>>> My friend's thought is that much of the math covered in this series
>>> of prerequisite math courses would not even apply to the psychology
>>> statistics course, and therefore I should only need to focus on what is
> truly needed to prepare for and be assessed to enroll in that course.
>>> Whether or not the university will agree to this assessment plan is
>>> yet to be seen, but at this point it's worth a try at least.
>>>
>>> My friend is willing to help me study, but I'm wondering if any of
>>> you know of accessible math materials that I could use? I am
>>> completely blind and rely on JAWS and a refreshable Braille display.
>>> Is there anything on Learning Ally, Bookshare, VitalSource.com, ETC
>>> that you have had personal success with using JAWS and/or a Braille
> display?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful weekend!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 22:45:12 +0000
> From: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
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> Dear Sir/madam,
>
> I am a visually impaired studying a  degree in BSC Business
> Information technology:
>
> I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but
> jaws isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user
> friendly either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really
> want to use math type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the
> accessibility is not their.
>
> Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge please?
>
>
>
>
> Yours Faithfully,
>
>
>
>
> Tolga Karatas
>
> I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 19:05:29 -0600
> From: "Louis Maher" <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "'tolga karatas'" <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> 	reader,
> Message-ID: <010401d28f03$42917af0$c7b470d0$@swbell.net>
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> Hello Tolga,
>
> If you are willing to learn LaTex, MathType is accessible for the blind
> with
> JAWS.  Here is a message I received from Neil Soiffer (I do not have a
> current e-mail address for Neil).  Note that while he talks about NVDA,
> MathTypes works well in JAWS.
>
> I do not think you need MathPlayer in JAWS.
> -----
> "You can use Word+NVDA+MathPlayer+MathType to author and read math if you
> are willing to learn the math component of LaTeX. If you already have a
> document with math in it, then the above combination will work for *reading
> *and navigating the math by speech. If you want to author math, then in
> Word
> you can type in some LaTeX between $ $ and use MathType to convert that
> into
> MathType math (so it looks nice), which can then be spoken and navigated.
> Given that it is easy to make a mistake in LaTeX, hearing the math gives
> you
> a way to know that you have typed it correctly. If you didn't, then you
> convert it back into LaTeX and edit it and listen again.
>
> FYI: changing between LaTeX and vice-versa is done with ""Toggle TeX""
> which
> has the keyboard shortcut alt+\. As the name ""Toggle"" implies, alt+\ will
> also change the MathType equation back to TeX.
>
> Here is a concrete example, if you want to write ""the integral from 0 to
> 10
> of x times e to the negative 2x power, d x"", you would type into Word:
> $\int_0^{10} x e^{-2 x} dx$ alt+\
>
> Press left arrow to move before the math to make NVDA read the math to you.
> If you made a mistake, type alt+\ and move right to edit the LaTeX.
>
> FYI: when I initially typed the example, I made a common TeX error of not
> putting the ""10"" inside of {}s. Be careful to add braces to any subscript
> or superscript that is more than one character.
>
> Neil Soiffer
> Use insert equations to start entering an equation.
>
> -----
>
> If you are on the image of an equation, you type alt+backslash and the
> equation will be converted to LaTex, and you can read and change it.
>
> I have attached an example file to try this.
>
>
> I am just beginning to learn this.
>
>
>
> Regards
> Louis Maher
> Phone: 713-444-7838
> E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of tolga
> karatas via Blindmath
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:45 PM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
>
> Dear Sir/madam,
>
> I am a visually impaired studying a  degree in BSC Business Information
> technology:
>
> I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but jaws
> isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user friendly
> either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really want to use
> math
> type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the accessibility is not their.
>
> Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge please?
>
>
>
>
> Yours Faithfully,
>
>
>
>
> Tolga Karatas
>
> I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 07:12:39 +0000
> From: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
> To: Louis Maher <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> Cc: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> 	reader,
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> Lewis,
>
> Many thanks for your message.
>
> Will I need in this case need to download the NVDA screen reader?
> because I currently have jaws 17.0.2727 installed on my laptop.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tolga.
>
> On 25/02/2017, Louis Maher <ljmaher at swbell.net> wrote:
>> Hello Tolga,
>>
>> If you are willing to learn LaTex, MathType is accessible for the blind
>> with
>> JAWS.  Here is a message I received from Neil Soiffer (I do not have a
>> current e-mail address for Neil).  Note that while he talks about NVDA,
>> MathTypes works well in JAWS.
>>
>> I do not think you need MathPlayer in JAWS.
>> -----
>> "You can use Word+NVDA+MathPlayer+MathType to author and read math if you
>> are willing to learn the math component of LaTeX. If you already have a
>> document with math in it, then the above combination will work for
>> *reading
>> *and navigating the math by speech. If you want to author math, then in
>> Word
>> you can type in some LaTeX between $ $ and use MathType to convert that
>> into
>> MathType math (so it looks nice), which can then be spoken and navigated.
>> Given that it is easy to make a mistake in LaTeX, hearing the math gives
>> you
>> a way to know that you have typed it correctly. If you didn't, then you
>> convert it back into LaTeX and edit it and listen again.
>>
>> FYI: changing between LaTeX and vice-versa is done with ""Toggle TeX""
>> which
>> has the keyboard shortcut alt+\. As the name ""Toggle"" implies, alt+\
>> will
>> also change the MathType equation back to TeX.
>>
>> Here is a concrete example, if you want to write ""the integral from 0 to
>> 10
>> of x times e to the negative 2x power, d x"", you would type into Word:
>> $\int_0^{10} x e^{-2 x} dx$ alt+\
>>
>> Press left arrow to move before the math to make NVDA read the math to
>> you.
>> If you made a mistake, type alt+\ and move right to edit the LaTeX.
>>
>> FYI: when I initially typed the example, I made a common TeX error of not
>> putting the ""10"" inside of {}s. Be careful to add braces to any
>> subscript
>> or superscript that is more than one character.
>>
>> Neil Soiffer
>> Use insert equations to start entering an equation.
>>
>> -----
>>
>> If you are on the image of an equation, you type alt+backslash and the
>> equation will be converted to LaTex, and you can read and change it.
>>
>> I have attached an example file to try this.
>>
>>
>> I am just beginning to learn this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of tolga
>> karatas via Blindmath
>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:45 PM
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
>>
>> Dear Sir/madam,
>>
>> I am a visually impaired studying a  degree in BSC Business Information
>> technology:
>>
>> I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but jaws
>> isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user friendly
>> either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really want to use
>> math
>> type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the accessibility is not their.
>>
>> Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge
>> please?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yours Faithfully,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tolga Karatas
>>
>> I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blindmath mailing list
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>>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 07:13:24 +0000
> From: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
> To: Louis Maher <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> Cc: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> 	reader,
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>
> Lewis,
>
> Will I need to install NVDA in this case? how can I download NVDA please?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tolga.
>
> On 25/02/2017, tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Lewis,
>>
>> Many thanks for your message.
>>
>> Will I need in this case need to download the NVDA screen reader?
>> because I currently have jaws 17.0.2727 installed on my laptop.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tolga.
>>
>> On 25/02/2017, Louis Maher <ljmaher at swbell.net> wrote:
>>> Hello Tolga,
>>>
>>> If you are willing to learn LaTex, MathType is accessible for the blind
>>> with
>>> JAWS.  Here is a message I received from Neil Soiffer (I do not have a
>>> current e-mail address for Neil).  Note that while he talks about NVDA,
>>> MathTypes works well in JAWS.
>>>
>>> I do not think you need MathPlayer in JAWS.
>>> -----
>>> "You can use Word+NVDA+MathPlayer+MathType to author and read math if
>>> you
>>> are willing to learn the math component of LaTeX. If you already have a
>>> document with math in it, then the above combination will work for
>>> *reading
>>> *and navigating the math by speech. If you want to author math, then in
>>> Word
>>> you can type in some LaTeX between $ $ and use MathType to convert that
>>> into
>>> MathType math (so it looks nice), which can then be spoken and
>>> navigated.
>>> Given that it is easy to make a mistake in LaTeX, hearing the math gives
>>> you
>>> a way to know that you have typed it correctly. If you didn't, then you
>>> convert it back into LaTeX and edit it and listen again.
>>>
>>> FYI: changing between LaTeX and vice-versa is done with ""Toggle TeX""
>>> which
>>> has the keyboard shortcut alt+\. As the name ""Toggle"" implies, alt+\
>>> will
>>> also change the MathType equation back to TeX.
>>>
>>> Here is a concrete example, if you want to write ""the integral from 0
>>> to
>>> 10
>>> of x times e to the negative 2x power, d x"", you would type into Word:
>>> $\int_0^{10} x e^{-2 x} dx$ alt+\
>>>
>>> Press left arrow to move before the math to make NVDA read the math to
>>> you.
>>> If you made a mistake, type alt+\ and move right to edit the LaTeX.
>>>
>>> FYI: when I initially typed the example, I made a common TeX error of
>>> not
>>> putting the ""10"" inside of {}s. Be careful to add braces to any
>>> subscript
>>> or superscript that is more than one character.
>>>
>>> Neil Soiffer
>>> Use insert equations to start entering an equation.
>>>
>>> -----
>>>
>>> If you are on the image of an equation, you type alt+backslash and the
>>> equation will be converted to LaTex, and you can read and change it.
>>>
>>> I have attached an example file to try this.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am just beginning to learn this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Louis Maher
>>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>>> E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of tolga
>>> karatas via Blindmath
>>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:45 PM
>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
>>>
>>> Dear Sir/madam,
>>>
>>> I am a visually impaired studying a  degree in BSC Business Information
>>> technology:
>>>
>>> I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but jaws
>>> isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user friendly
>>> either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really want to use
>>> math
>>> type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the accessibility is not their.
>>>
>>> Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge
>>> please?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours Faithfully,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tolga Karatas
>>>
>>> I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blindmath mailing list
>>> Blindmath at nfbnet.org
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