[Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: Blindmath Digest, Vol 127, Issue 22
tolga karatas
tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com
Tue Feb 28 17:55:50 UTC 2017
neil,
Many thanks for this,
my question is this,
Will I be able to use jaws 17.0.2727 with math player/LaTEX/Math Type please?
Regards,
Tolga.
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> 1. Re: {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws screen
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> 2. Re: math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
> (Doug and Molly Miron)
> 3. {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws
> screen reader, (Rebecca Maria Carvalho)
> 4. {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws screen
> reader, (Neil Soiffer)
> 5. Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
> (Rebecca Maria Carvalho)
> 6. {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws screen
> reader, (Neil Soiffer)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:16:32 -0600
> From: "Louis Maher" <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "'Neil Soiffer'" <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
> screen reader,
> Message-ID: <000401d2910c$7bc07050$734150f0$@swbell.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Neil,
>
> I do not know if it helps, but JAWS 18 can show MathML on the web as Nemeth
> code on Braille displays.
>
>
> Regards
> Louis Maher
> Phone: 713-444-7838
> E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Neil
> Soiffer via Blindmath
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:02 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>; Louis Maher <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
> screen reader,
>
> A few notes and clarifications about MathType:
>
> 1. LaTeX is not the underlying language for MathType -- LaTeX along with
> MathML and a few other formats are alternative representations that
> MathType
> supports for import and export.
>
> 2. The translator from MathType to LaTeX is somewhat simple and puts in far
> more braces than are needed. It's easier to generate that way and legal
> LaTeX. It does unfortunately make it harder to read and listen to.
>
> 3. If you type LaTeX and convert it to MathType, MathType will remember
> the
> original LaTeX and preserve it unless you edit the equation in MathType. So
> if you start with LaTeX without many braces, convert it to MathType and
> convert it back to LaTeX, it will look exactly the way you typed it.
>
> 4. If you can't see normal math notation, a VERY big advantage of using
> Word+MathType+NVDA+MathPlayer when entering LaTeX is that once you
> Word+MathType+NVDA+convert
> the LaTeX to normal math notation, it can be read by NVDA+MathPlayer and
> displayed in Nemeth on a refreshible braille display. That's important
> because you have no way of knowing if you made a mistake in typing the
> LaTeX
> without getting that feedback. Making occasional mistakes in LaTeX happens
> to everyone, so getting feedback via sight, sound, or touch is really
> important if you want to make sure others understand what you wrote.
>
> 5. AFAIK, JAWS does not support speaking/brailling math in Word documents.
> If that has changed in the last year, please let me and others on the list
> know.
>
> I hope that clarifies a few things,
>
> Neil Soiffer
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Louis Maher via Blindmath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>> I borrow the document I sent the list from another person. I did not
>> write it, and I can't answer questions on its syntax. I am just
>> starting to learn Latex and MathType.
>>
>> I do not know if it matters, but I am a JAWS user.
>>
>> I was able to turn the equation image into Latex and back to an image
>> by using alt+\. When I was looking at the Latex version of the
>> equation, I moved the cursor onto the first $ and hit alt+\, and the
>> equation turned back into an image. I am using Office 2016, JAWS 18, and
> MathType 6.9.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Doug and Molly Miron via Blindmath
>> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:16 PM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Doug and Molly Miron <mndmrn at hbci.com>
>> Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
>> screen reader,
>>
>> Good day Louis,
>>
>> I'm new to TeX and LaTeX and found your message very helpful. I
>> didn't know that TeX is the underlying language for MathType. Also,
>> it took me a while to discover that alt+\ is alt+[backslash] because
>> NVDA doesn't read the character unless I single-step through it.
>> After reading your example document, I opened, in current versions of
>> Word, MathType and MathPlayer, a document I'd written several years
>> ago inold versions of Word and MathType.
>> The alt+\ brought out the underlying TeX, but it wouldn't convert
>> back. In your example and my old document, exponents are heavily
>> braced, even when there is only one character. Why is this? In your
>> e-mail integral example it seems you got away with minimal bracing.
>> The letter "n" seems to be used as a filler in multi-line equations.
>> Can yoou recommend a reference for math type-setting in TeX or LaTeX?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Doug Miron
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Louis Maher via Blindmath
>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:05 PM
>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>> Cc: Louis Maher ; 'tolga karatas'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
>> reader,
>>
>> Hello Tolga,
>>
>> If you are willing to learn LaTex, MathType is accessible for the
>> blind with JAWS. Here is a message I received from Neil Soiffer (I do
>> not have a current e-mail address for Neil). Note that while he talks
>> about NVDA, MathTypes works well in JAWS.
>>
>> I do not think you need MathPlayer in JAWS.
>> -----
>> "You can use Word+NVDA+MathPlayer+MathType to author and read math if
>> you are willing to learn the math component of LaTeX. If you already
>> have a document with math in it, then the above combination will work
>> for *reading *and navigating the math by speech. If you want to author
>> math, then in Word you can type in some LaTeX between $ $ and use
>> MathType to convert that into MathType math (so it looks nice), which
>> can then be spoken and navigated.
>> Given that it is easy to make a mistake in LaTeX, hearing the math
>> gives you a way to know that you have typed it correctly. If you
>> didn't, then you convert it back into LaTeX and edit it and listen
>> again.
>>
>> FYI: changing between LaTeX and vice-versa is done with ""Toggle TeX""
>> which
>> has the keyboard shortcut alt+\. As the name ""Toggle"" implies, alt+\
>> will also change the MathType equation back to TeX.
>>
>> Here is a concrete example, if you want to write ""the integral from 0
>> to
>> 10
>> of x times e to the negative 2x power, d x"", you would type into Word:
>> $\int_0^{10} x e^{-2 x} dx$ alt+\
>>
>> Press left arrow to move before the math to make NVDA read the math to
> you.
>> If you made a mistake, type alt+\ and move right to edit the LaTeX.
>>
>> FYI: when I initially typed the example, I made a common TeX error of
>> not putting the ""10"" inside of {}s. Be careful to add braces to any
>> subscript or superscript that is more than one character.
>>
>> Neil Soiffer
>> Use insert equations to start entering an equation.
>>
>> -----
>>
>> If you are on the image of an equation, you type alt+backslash and the
>> equation will be converted to LaTex, and you can read and change it.
>>
>> I have attached an example file to try this.
>>
>>
>> I am just beginning to learn this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> tolga karatas via Blindmath
>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:45 PM
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
>>
>> Dear Sir/madam,
>>
>> I am a visually impaired studying a degree in BSC Business
>> Information
>> technology:
>>
>> I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but
>> jaws isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user
>> friendly either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really
>> want to use math type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the
>> accessibility is not their.
>>
>> Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge
>> please?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yours Faithfully,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tolga Karatas
>>
>> I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:56:40 -0600
> From: "Doug and Molly Miron" <mndmrn at hbci.com>
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> reader,
> Message-ID: <9FD7289AD6734D188CBE48D33D4207BE at DESKTOPBGKNB8Q>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Good day Neil,
>
> Is there another way to convert LaTeX to MathType/MathPlayer? The
> alt+[backslash] shortcut seems to ignore \begin{equation} and \begin{align}.
>
> If not, I can live with the $...$ method and add equation numbers myself.
> Can you give me a reference for math typesetting in LaTeX? I have
> bookmarked the symbol tables on the web, but I have other questions and
> there are doubtless questions I'm too ignorant to ask.
>
> Regards,
> Doug Miron
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: 27 Feb 2017 19:58:50 -0000
> From: "Rebecca Maria Carvalho" <rebecca at xrcvc.org>
> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>, <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility
> with jaws screen reader,
> Message-ID:
> <1488171812.S.15642.17209.pro-236-182.1488225530.16881 at webmail.rediffmail.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hi,
> Regarding point 4 in your email, you mentioned that MathType's equations in
> Word can be read in Nemeth on Refreshable Braille displays with NVDA + Math
> Player.
> Which Refreshable Braille Display can be used for this?And how would one go
> about it ?
> I have tried reading MathType Equations from Word on the Focus 40
> Refreshable Braille Display, but it did not display Nemeth.
> We have been looking for the solution to this for a while but have not been
> able to find any Refreshable Braille Display that displays Nemeth Braille
> Code.Please do let us know.
> Rebecca
> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>
> From: Neil Soiffer via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:33:32 GMT+0530
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws screen
> reader,
>
> A few notes and clarifications about MathType:
>
>
>
> 1. LaTeX is not the underlying language for MathType -- LaTeX along
> with
>
> MathML and a few other formats are alternative representations that
>
> MathType supports for import and export.
>
>
>
> 2. The translator from MathType to LaTeX is somewhat simple and puts in far
>
> more braces than are needed. It's easier to generate that way and legal
>
> LaTeX. It does unfortunately make it harder to read and listen to.
>
>
>
> 3. If you type LaTeX and convert it to MathType, MathType will
> remember
>
> the original LaTeX and preserve it unless you edit the equation in
>
> MathType. So if you start with LaTeX without many braces, convert it to
>
> MathType and convert it back to LaTeX, it will look exactly the way you
>
> typed it.
>
>
>
> 4. If you can't see normal math notation, a VERY big advantage of
> using
>
> Word+MathType+NVDA+MathPlayer when entering LaTeX is that once you convert
>
> the LaTeX to normal math notation, it can be read by NVDA+MathPlayer and
>
> displayed in Nemeth on a refreshible braille display. That's important
>
> because you have no way of knowing if you made a mistake in typing the
>
> LaTeX without getting that feedback. Making occasional mistakes in LaTeX
>
> happens to everyone, so getting feedback via sight, sound, or touch is
>
> really important if you want to make sure others understand what you wrote.
>
>
>
> 5. AFAIK, JAWS does not support speaking/brailling math in Word
> documents.
>
> If that has changed in the last year, please let me and others on the list
>
> know.
>
>
>
> I hope that clarifies a few things,
>
>
>
> Neil Soiffer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Louis Maher via Blindmath <
>
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Doug,
>
> >
>
> > I borrow the document I sent the list from another person. I did
> not write
>
> > it, and I can't answer questions on its syntax. I am just
> starting to
>
> > learn
>
> > Latex and MathType.
>
> >
>
> > I do not know if it matters, but I am a JAWS user.
>
> >
>
> > I was able to turn the equation image into Latex and back to an image
> by
>
> > using alt+. When I was looking at the Latex version of the
> equation, I
>
> > moved the cursor onto the first $ and hit alt+, and the equation
> turned
>
> > back into an image. I am using Office 2016, JAWS 18, and MathType
> 6.9.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Regards
>
> > Louis Maher
>
> > Phone: 713-444-7838
>
> > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Doug
>
> > and
>
> > Molly Miron via Blindmath
>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:16 PM
>
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>
> > Cc: Doug and Molly Miron <mndmrn at hbci.com>
>
> > Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
> screen
>
> > reader,
>
> >
>
> > Good day Louis,
>
> >
>
> > I'm new to TeX and LaTeX and found your message very helpful. I
> didn't
>
> > know
>
> > that TeX is the underlying language for MathType. Also, it took
> me a while
>
> > to discover that alt+ is alt+[backslash] because NVDA doesn't read the
>
> > character unless I single-step through it. After reading your
> example
>
> > document, I opened, in current versions of Word, MathType and
> MathPlayer, a
>
> > document I'd written several years ago inold versions of Word and
> MathType.
>
> > The alt+ brought out the underlying TeX, but it wouldn't convert back.
> In
>
> > your example and my old document, exponents are heavily braced, even
> when
>
> > there is only one character. Why is this? In your e-mail
> integral example
>
> > it seems you got away with minimal bracing. The letter "n" seems
> to be
>
> > used
>
> > as a filler in multi-line equations. Can yoou recommend a
> reference for
>
> > math type-setting in TeX or LaTeX? Thanks.
>
> >
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Doug Miron
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Louis Maher via Blindmath
>
> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:05 PM
>
> > To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>
> > Cc: Louis Maher ; 'tolga karatas'
>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> reader,
>
> >
>
> > Hello Tolga,
>
> >
>
> > If you are willing to learn LaTex, MathType is accessible for the
> blind
>
> > with
>
> > JAWS. Here is a message I received from Neil Soiffer (I do not
> have a
>
> > current e-mail address for Neil). Note that while he talks about
> NVDA,
>
> > MathTypes works well in JAWS.
>
> >
>
> > I do not think you need MathPlayer in JAWS.
>
> > -----
>
> > "You can use Word+NVDA+MathPlayer+MathType to author and read math if
> you
>
> > are willing to learn the math component of LaTeX. If you already have
> a
>
> > document with math in it, then the above combination will work for
> *reading
>
> > *and navigating the math by speech. If you want to author math, then
> in
>
> > Word
>
> > you can type in some LaTeX between $ $ and use MathType to convert
> that
>
> > into
>
> > MathType math (so it looks nice), which can then be spoken and
> navigated.
>
> > Given that it is easy to make a mistake in LaTeX, hearing the math
> gives
>
> > you
>
> > a way to know that you have typed it correctly. If you didn't, then
> you
>
> > convert it back into LaTeX and edit it and listen again.
>
> >
>
> > FYI: changing between LaTeX and vice-versa is done with ""Toggle TeX""
>
> > which
>
> > has the keyboard shortcut alt+. As the name ""Toggle"" implies, alt+
> will
>
> > also change the MathType equation back to TeX.
>
> >
>
> > Here is a concrete example, if you want to write ""the integral from 0
> to
>
> > 10
>
> > of x times e to the negative 2x power, d x"", you would type into
> Word:
>
> > $int_0^{10} x e^{-2 x} dx$ alt+
>
> >
>
> > Press left arrow to move before the math to make NVDA read the math to
> you.
>
> > If you made a mistake, type alt+ and move right to edit the LaTeX.
>
> >
>
> > FYI: when I initially typed the example, I made a common TeX error of
> not
>
> > putting the ""10"" inside of {}s. Be careful to add braces to any
> subscript
>
> > or superscript that is more than one character.
>
> >
>
> > Neil Soiffer
>
> > Use insert equations to start entering an equation.
>
> >
>
> > -----
>
> >
>
> > If you are on the image of an equation, you type alt+backslash and the
>
> > equation will be converted to LaTex, and you can read and change it.
>
> >
>
> > I have attached an example file to try this.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I am just beginning to learn this.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Regards
>
> > Louis Maher
>
> > Phone: 713-444-7838
>
> > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> tolga
>
> > karatas via Blindmath
>
> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:45 PM
>
> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>
> > Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
>
> > Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
>
> >
>
> > Dear Sir/madam,
>
> >
>
> > I am a visually impaired studying a degree in BSC Business
> Information
>
> > technology:
>
> >
>
> > I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but
> jaws
>
> > isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user
> friendly
>
> > either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really want to
> use
>
> > math
>
> > type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the accessibility is not their.
>
> >
>
> > Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge
> please?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Yours Faithfully,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Tolga Karatas
>
> >
>
> > I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
>
> >
>
> > _______________________________________________
>
> > Blindmath mailing list
>
> > Blindmath at nfbnet.org
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>
> > ljmaher%40swbell.net
>
> > BlindMath Gems can be found at
>
> > <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > _______________________________________________
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:12:03 -0800
> From: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> To: Rebecca Maria Carvalho <rebecca at xrcvc.org>
> Cc: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>, Louis Maher <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility with
> jaws screen reader,
> Message-ID:
> <CAESRWkDobd-yCiXL7xXKsn-yFDu1ihj-OSDX701BAmcPqUebdA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> NVDA asks MathPlayer for the braille and then sends it to the braille
> display. If NVDA supports the Focus 4, then it should work. According to
> their
> documentation,
> <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#SupportedBrailleDisplays>
> all Focus displays are supported. If you aren't getting braille for text in
> a Word document, then their is some problem with your NVDA/braille display
> setup.
>
> If you do get braille for regular text and can hear the math speech when
> moving to math, then you should be getting braille for the math. One thing
> to check is to make sure Braille is set to Nemeth -- see the MathPlayer
> manual
> <https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/manual.htm#mathplayer_settings_dialog>on
> how to check/set the value (it defaults to Nemeth).
>
> Neil Soiffer
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Rebecca Maria Carvalho
> <rebecca at xrcvc.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Regarding point 4 in your email, you mentioned that MathType's equations
>> in Word can be read in Nemeth on Refreshable Braille displays with NVDA +
>> Math Player.
>>
>> Which Refreshable Braille Display can be used for this?
>> And how would one go about it ?
>>
>> I have tried reading MathType Equations from Word on the Focus 40
>> Refreshable Braille Display, but it did not display Nemeth.
>>
>> We have been looking for the solution to this for a while but have not
>> been able to find any Refreshable Braille Display that displays Nemeth
>> Braille Code.
>> Please do let us know.
>>
>> Rebecca
>>
>> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>>
>> From: Neil Soiffer via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:33:32 GMT+0530
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws screen
>> reader,
>>
>> A few notes and clarifications about MathType:
>>
>> 1. LaTeX is not the underlying language for MathType -- LaTeX along with
>> MathML and a few other formats are alternative representations that
>> MathType supports for import and export.
>>
>> 2. The translator from MathType to LaTeX is somewhat simple and puts in
>> far
>> more braces than are needed. It's easier to generate that way and legal
>> LaTeX. It does unfortunately make it harder to read and listen to.
>>
>> 3. If you type LaTeX and convert it to MathType, MathType will remember
>> the original LaTeX and preserve it unless you edit the equation in
>> MathType. So if you start with LaTeX without many braces, convert it to
>> MathType and convert it back to LaTeX, it will look exactly the way you
>> typed it.
>>
>> 4. If you can't see normal math notation, a VERY big advantage of using
>> Word+MathType+NVDA+MathPlayer when entering LaTeX is that once you
>> convert
>> the LaTeX to normal math notation, it can be read by NVDA+MathPlayer and
>> displayed in Nemeth on a refreshible braille display. That's important
>> because you have no way of knowing if you made a mistake in typing the
>> LaTeX without getting that feedback. Making occasional mistakes in LaTeX
>> happens to everyone, so getting feedback via sight, sound, or touch is
>> really important if you want to make sure others understand what you
>> wrote.
>>
>> 5. AFAIK, JAWS does not support speaking/brailling math in Word
>> documents.
>> If that has changed in the last year, please let me and others on the
>> list
>> know.
>>
>> I hope that clarifies a few things,
>>
>> Neil Soiffer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Louis Maher via Blindmath <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Doug,
>> >
>> > I borrow the document I sent the list from another person. I did not
>> write
>> > it, and I can't answer questions on its syntax. I am just starting to
>> > learn
>> > Latex and MathType.
>> >
>> > I do not know if it matters, but I am a JAWS user.
>> >
>> > I was able to turn the equation image into Latex and back to an image
>> > by
>> > using alt+. When I was looking at the Latex version of the equation, I
>> > moved the cursor onto the first $ and hit alt+, and the equation turned
>> > back into an image. I am using Office 2016, JAWS 18, and MathType 6.9.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Louis Maher
>> > Phone: 713-444-7838 <%28713%29%20444-7838>
>> > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug
>> > and
>> > Molly Miron via Blindmath
>> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:16 PM
>> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: Doug and Molly Miron <mndmrn at hbci.com>
>> > Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
>> > screen
>> > reader,
>> >
>> > Good day Louis,
>> >
>> > I'm new to TeX and LaTeX and found your message very helpful. I didn't
>> > know
>> > that TeX is the underlying language for MathType. Also, it took me a
>> while
>> > to discover that alt+ is alt+[backslash] because NVDA doesn't read the
>> > character unless I single-step through it. After reading your example
>> > document, I opened, in current versions of Word, MathType and
>> MathPlayer, a
>> > document I'd written several years ago inold versions of Word and
>> MathType.
>> > The alt+ brought out the underlying TeX, but it wouldn't convert back.
>> In
>> > your example and my old document, exponents are heavily braced, even
>> > when
>> > there is only one character. Why is this? In your e-mail integral
>> example
>> > it seems you got away with minimal bracing. The letter "n" seems to be
>> > used
>> > as a filler in multi-line equations. Can yoou recommend a reference
>> > for
>> > math type-setting in TeX or LaTeX? Thanks.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Doug Miron
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Louis Maher via Blindmath
>> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:05 PM
>> > To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>> > Cc: Louis Maher ; 'tolga karatas'
>> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
>> > reader,
>> >
>> > Hello Tolga,
>> >
>> > If you are willing to learn LaTex, MathType is accessible for the blind
>> > with
>> > JAWS. Here is a message I received from Neil Soiffer (I do not have a
>> > current e-mail address for Neil). Note that while he talks about NVDA,
>> > MathTypes works well in JAWS.
>> >
>> > I do not think you need MathPlayer in JAWS.
>> > -----
>> > "You can use Word+NVDA+MathPlayer+MathType to author and read math if
>> > you
>> > are willing to learn the math component of LaTeX. If you already have a
>> > document with math in it, then the above combination will work for
>> *reading
>> > *and navigating the math by speech. If you want to author math, then in
>> > Word
>> > you can type in some LaTeX between $ $ and use MathType to convert that
>> > into
>> > MathType math (so it looks nice), which can then be spoken and
>> > navigated.
>> > Given that it is easy to make a mistake in LaTeX, hearing the math
>> > gives
>> > you
>> > a way to know that you have typed it correctly. If you didn't, then you
>> > convert it back into LaTeX and edit it and listen again.
>> >
>> > FYI: changing between LaTeX and vice-versa is done with ""Toggle TeX""
>> > which
>> > has the keyboard shortcut alt+. As the name ""Toggle"" implies, alt+
>> > will
>> > also change the MathType equation back to TeX.
>> >
>> > Here is a concrete example, if you want to write ""the integral from 0
>> > to
>> > 10
>> > of x times e to the negative 2x power, d x"", you would type into Word:
>> > $int_0^{10} x e^{-2 x} dx$ alt+
>> >
>> > Press left arrow to move before the math to make NVDA read the math to
>> you.
>> > If you made a mistake, type alt+ and move right to edit the LaTeX.
>> >
>> > FYI: when I initially typed the example, I made a common TeX error of
>> > not
>> > putting the ""10"" inside of {}s. Be careful to add braces to any
>> subscript
>> > or superscript that is more than one character.
>> >
>> > Neil Soiffer
>> > Use insert equations to start entering an equation.
>> >
>> > -----
>> >
>> > If you are on the image of an equation, you type alt+backslash and the
>> > equation will be converted to LaTex, and you can read and change it.
>> >
>> > I have attached an example file to try this.
>> >
>> >
>> > I am just beginning to learn this.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Louis Maher
>> > Phone: 713-444-7838 <%28713%29%20444-7838>
>> > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> > tolga
>> > karatas via Blindmath
>> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:45 PM
>> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> > Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
>> >
>> > Dear Sir/madam,
>> >
>> > I am a visually impaired studying a degree in BSC Business Information
>> > technology:
>> >
>> > I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but
>> > jaws
>> > isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user friendly
>> > either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really want to use
>> > math
>> > type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the accessibility is not their.
>> >
>> > Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge
>> please?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yours Faithfully,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Tolga Karatas
>> >
>> > I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
>> >
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>> > ljmaher%40swbell.net
>> > BlindMath Gems can be found at
>> > <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home
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>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > BlindMath Gems can be found at
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>> > ljmaher%40swbell.net
>> > BlindMath Gems can be found at
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> <//prolinks.rediffmailpro.com/cgi-bin/prored.cgi?red=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet%2Eorg%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindmath%5Fnfbnet%2Eorg&rediffng=0>
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>> > soiffer%40alum.mit.edu
>> > BlindMath Gems can be found at <http://www.blindscience.org/
>> <//prolinks.rediffmailpro.com/cgi-bin/prored.cgi?red=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eblindscience%2Eorg%2F&rediffng=0>
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>> >
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: 27 Feb 2017 21:42:15 -0000
> From: "Rebecca Maria Carvalho" <rebecca at xrcvc.org>
> To: <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> Cc: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>, <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws
> screen reader,
> Message-ID:
> <1488226328.S.35231.28732.pro-237-55.1488231735.1639 at webmail.rediffmail.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Thank you for your reply!
> So, we do hear Math speech for the Math with NVDA + MathPlayer.
> But so far we have been using the Focus 40 with JAWS. (I thought it only
> worked with JAWS). With JAWS we do get the Braille for the regular text in
> the Word file, but when it reaches the Math it displays its spelling in
> Braille rather than the Nemeth symbols.For example it would display "five
> plus five" and so on.
> Will try the Focus 40 with NVDA and try what you suggested.
> But could you also tell me which Refreshable Braillers work best and are
> used to display Nemeth with MathPlayer + NVDA to read MathType Equations
> directly from your Word file ?
> Rebecca
>
>
>
> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>
>
>
>
> From: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> Sent: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 01:42:08 GMT+0530
> To: Rebecca Maria Carvalho <rebecca at xrcvc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws screen
> reader,
>
> NVDA asks MathPlayer for the braille and then sends it to the braille
> display. If NVDA supports the Focus 4, then it should work. According to
> their documentation, all Focus displays are supported. If you aren't getting
> braille for text in a Word document, then their is some problem with your
> NVDA/braille display setup.
>
> If you do get braille for regular text and can hear the math speech when
> moving to math, then you should be getting braille for the math. One thing
> to check is to make sure Braille is set to Nemeth -- see the MathPlayer
> manual on how to check/set the value (it defaults to Nemeth).
>
> Neil Soiffer
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Rebecca Maria Carvalho
> <rebecca at xrcvc.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> Regarding point 4 in your email, you mentioned that MathType's equations in
> Word can be read in Nemeth on Refreshable Braille displays with NVDA + Math
> Player.
> Which Refreshable Braille Display can be used for this?And how would one go
> about it ?
> I have tried reading MathType Equations from Word on the Focus 40
> Refreshable Braille Display, but it did not display Nemeth.
> We have been looking for the solution to this for a while but have not been
> able to find any Refreshable Braille Display that displays Nemeth Braille
> Code.Please do let us know.
> Rebecca
> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>
> From: Neil Soiffer via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:33:32 GMT+0530
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws screen
> reader,
>
> A few notes and clarifications about MathType:
>
>
>
> 1. LaTeX is not the underlying language for MathType -- LaTeX along
> with
>
> MathML and a few other formats are alternative representations that
>
> MathType supports for import and export.
>
>
>
> 2. The translator from MathType to LaTeX is somewhat simple and puts in far
>
> more braces than are needed. It's easier to generate that way and legal
>
> LaTeX. It does unfortunately make it harder to read and listen to.
>
>
>
> 3. If you type LaTeX and convert it to MathType, MathType will
> remember
>
> the original LaTeX and preserve it unless you edit the equation in
>
> MathType. So if you start with LaTeX without many braces, convert it to
>
> MathType and convert it back to LaTeX, it will look exactly the way you
>
> typed it.
>
>
>
> 4. If you can't see normal math notation, a VERY big advantage of
> using
>
> Word+MathType+NVDA+MathPlayer when entering LaTeX is that once you convert
>
> the LaTeX to normal math notation, it can be read by NVDA+MathPlayer and
>
> displayed in Nemeth on a refreshible braille display. That's important
>
> because you have no way of knowing if you made a mistake in typing the
>
> LaTeX without getting that feedback. Making occasional mistakes in LaTeX
>
> happens to everyone, so getting feedback via sight, sound, or touch is
>
> really important if you want to make sure others understand what you wrote.
>
>
>
> 5. AFAIK, JAWS does not support speaking/brailling math in Word
> documents.
>
> If that has changed in the last year, please let me and others on the list
>
> know.
>
>
>
> I hope that clarifies a few things,
>
>
>
> Neil Soiffer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Louis Maher via Blindmath <
>
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Doug,
>
> >
>
> > I borrow the document I sent the list from another person. I did
> not write
>
> > it, and I can't answer questions on its syntax. I am just
> starting to
>
> > learn
>
> > Latex and MathType.
>
> >
>
> > I do not know if it matters, but I am a JAWS user.
>
> >
>
> > I was able to turn the equation image into Latex and back to an image
> by
>
> > using alt+. When I was looking at the Latex version of the
> equation, I
>
> > moved the cursor onto the first $ and hit alt+, and the equation
> turned
>
> > back into an image. I am using Office 2016, JAWS 18, and MathType
> 6.9.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Regards
>
> > Louis Maher
>
> > Phone: 713-444-7838
>
> > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Doug
>
> > and
>
> > Molly Miron via Blindmath
>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:16 PM
>
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>
> > Cc: Doug and Molly Miron <mndmrn at hbci.com>
>
> > Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
> screen
>
> > reader,
>
> >
>
> > Good day Louis,
>
> >
>
> > I'm new to TeX and LaTeX and found your message very helpful. I
> didn't
>
> > know
>
> > that TeX is the underlying language for MathType. Also, it took
> me a while
>
> > to discover that alt+ is alt+[backslash] because NVDA doesn't read the
>
> > character unless I single-step through it. After reading your
> example
>
> > document, I opened, in current versions of Word, MathType and
> MathPlayer, a
>
> > document I'd written several years ago inold versions of Word and
> MathType.
>
> > The alt+ brought out the underlying TeX, but it wouldn't convert
> back. In
>
> > your example and my old document, exponents are heavily braced, even
> when
>
> > there is only one character. Why is this? In your e-mail
> integral example
>
> > it seems you got away with minimal bracing. The letter "n" seems
> to be
>
> > used
>
> > as a filler in multi-line equations. Can yoou recommend a
> reference for
>
> > math type-setting in TeX or LaTeX? Thanks.
>
> >
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Doug Miron
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Louis Maher via Blindmath
>
> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:05 PM
>
> > To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>
> > Cc: Louis Maher ; 'tolga karatas'
>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> reader,
>
> >
>
> > Hello Tolga,
>
> >
>
> > If you are willing to learn LaTex, MathType is accessible for the
> blind
>
> > with
>
> > JAWS. Here is a message I received from Neil Soiffer (I do not
> have a
>
> > current e-mail address for Neil). Note that while he talks about
> NVDA,
>
> > MathTypes works well in JAWS.
>
> >
>
> > I do not think you need MathPlayer in JAWS.
>
> > -----
>
> > "You can use Word+NVDA+MathPlayer+MathType to author and read math if
> you
>
> > are willing to learn the math component of LaTeX. If you already have
> a
>
> > document with math in it, then the above combination will work for
> *reading
>
> > *and navigating the math by speech. If you want to author math, then
> in
>
> > Word
>
> > you can type in some LaTeX between $ $ and use MathType to convert
> that
>
> > into
>
> > MathType math (so it looks nice), which can then be spoken and
> navigated.
>
> > Given that it is easy to make a mistake in LaTeX, hearing the math
> gives
>
> > you
>
> > a way to know that you have typed it correctly. If you didn't, then
> you
>
> > convert it back into LaTeX and edit it and listen again.
>
> >
>
> > FYI: changing between LaTeX and vice-versa is done with ""Toggle TeX""
>
> > which
>
> > has the keyboard shortcut alt+. As the name ""Toggle"" implies, alt+
> will
>
> > also change the MathType equation back to TeX.
>
> >
>
> > Here is a concrete example, if you want to write ""the integral from 0
> to
>
> > 10
>
> > of x times e to the negative 2x power, d x"", you would type into
> Word:
>
> > $int_0^{10} x e^{-2 x} dx$ alt+
>
> >
>
> > Press left arrow to move before the math to make NVDA read the math to
> you.
>
> > If you made a mistake, type alt+ and move right to edit the LaTeX.
>
> >
>
> > FYI: when I initially typed the example, I made a common TeX error of
> not
>
> > putting the ""10"" inside of {}s. Be careful to add braces to any
> subscript
>
> > or superscript that is more than one character.
>
> >
>
> > Neil Soiffer
>
> > Use insert equations to start entering an equation.
>
> >
>
> > -----
>
> >
>
> > If you are on the image of an equation, you type alt+backslash and the
>
> > equation will be converted to LaTex, and you can read and change it.
>
> >
>
> > I have attached an example file to try this.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I am just beginning to learn this.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Regards
>
> > Louis Maher
>
> > Phone: 713-444-7838
>
> > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> tolga
>
> > karatas via Blindmath
>
> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:45 PM
>
> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>
> > Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
>
> > Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
>
> >
>
> > Dear Sir/madam,
>
> >
>
> > I am a visually impaired studying a degree in BSC Business
> Information
>
> > technology:
>
> >
>
> > I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but
> jaws
>
> > isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user
> friendly
>
> > either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really want to
> use
>
> > math
>
> > type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the accessibility is not their.
>
> >
>
> > Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge
> please?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Yours Faithfully,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Tolga Karatas
>
> >
>
> > I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
>
> >
>
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>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:07:06 -0800
> From: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Rebecca Maria Carvalho <rebecca at xrcvc.org>, Louis Maher
> <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility with
> jaws screen reader,
> Message-ID:
> <CAESRWkCvXvJ_oNBPvw20xi6UHs8O3_Tp0GkpwtEt1tBrZ63GhA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I can't say which display works best other than the obvious "the more
> cells, the better" -- although Nemeth Code is more compact that UEB,
> medium-sized equations will often take more than 40 cells.
>
> Neil Soiffer
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Rebecca Maria Carvalho via Blindmath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your reply!
>> So, we do hear Math speech for the Math with NVDA + MathPlayer.
>> But so far we have been using the Focus 40 with JAWS. (I thought it only
>> worked with JAWS). With JAWS we do get the Braille for the regular text
>> in
>> the Word file, but when it reaches the Math it displays its spelling in
>> Braille rather than the Nemeth symbols.For example it would display "five
>> plus five" and so on.
>> Will try the Focus 40 with NVDA and try what you suggested.
>> But could you also tell me which Refreshable Braillers work best and are
>> used to display Nemeth with MathPlayer + NVDA to read MathType Equations
>> directly from your Word file ?
>> Rebecca
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
>> Sent: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 01:42:08 GMT+0530
>> To: Rebecca Maria Carvalho <rebecca at xrcvc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws screen
>> reader,
>>
>> NVDA asks MathPlayer for the braille and then sends it to the braille
>> display. If NVDA supports the Focus 4, then it should work. According to
>> their documentation, all Focus displays are supported. If you aren't
>> getting braille for text in a Word document, then their is some problem
>> with your NVDA/braille display setup.
>>
>> If you do get braille for regular text and can hear the math speech when
>> moving to math, then you should be getting braille for the math. One
>> thing
>> to check is to make sure Braille is set to Nemeth -- see the MathPlayer
>> manual on how to check/set the value (it defaults to Nemeth).
>>
>> Neil Soiffer
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Rebecca Maria Carvalho &
>> lt;rebecca at xrcvc.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Regarding point 4 in your email, you mentioned that MathType's equations
>> in Word can be read in Nemeth on Refreshable Braille displays with NVDA +
>> Math Player.
>> Which Refreshable Braille Display can be used for this?And how would one
>> go about it ?
>> I have tried reading MathType Equations from Word on the Focus 40
>> Refreshable Braille Display, but it did not display Nemeth.
>> We have been looking for the solution to this for a while but have not
>> been able to find any Refreshable Braille Display that displays Nemeth
>> Braille Code.Please do let us know.
>> Rebecca
>> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>>
>> From: Neil Soiffer via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:33:32 GMT+0530
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics &
>> lt;blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws
>> screen
>> reader,
>>
>> A few notes and clarifications about MathType:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. LaTeX is not the underlying language for MathType -- LaTeX along
>> with
>>
>> MathML and a few other formats are alternative representations that
>>
>> MathType supports for import and export.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. The translator from MathType to LaTeX is somewhat simple and puts in
>> far
>>
>> more braces than are needed. It's easier to generate that way and legal
>>
>> LaTeX. It does unfortunately make it harder to read and listen to.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. If you type LaTeX and convert it to MathType, MathType will
>> remember
>>
>> the original LaTeX and preserve it unless you edit the equation in
>>
>> MathType. So if you start with LaTeX without many braces, convert it to
>>
>> MathType and convert it back to LaTeX, it will look exactly the way you
>>
>> typed it.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4. If you can't see normal math notation, a VERY big advantage of
>> using
>>
>> Word+MathType+NVDA+MathPlayer when entering LaTeX is that once you
>> convert
>>
>> the LaTeX to normal math notation, it can be read by NVDA+MathPlayer and
>>
>> displayed in Nemeth on a refreshible braille display. That's important
>>
>> because you have no way of knowing if you made a mistake in typing the
>>
>> LaTeX without getting that feedback. Making occasional mistakes in LaTeX
>>
>> happens to everyone, so getting feedback via sight, sound, or touch is
>>
>> really important if you want to make sure others understand what you
>> wrote.
>>
>>
>>
>> 5. AFAIK, JAWS does not support speaking/brailling math in Word
>> documents.
>>
>> If that has changed in the last year, please let me and others on the
>> list
>>
>> know.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope that clarifies a few things,
>>
>>
>>
>> Neil Soiffer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Louis Maher via Blindmath <
>>
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi Doug,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I borrow the document I sent the list from another person. I
>> did not write
>>
>> > it, and I can't answer questions on its syntax. I am just
>> starting to
>>
>> > learn
>>
>> > Latex and MathType.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I do not know if it matters, but I am a JAWS user.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I was able to turn the equation image into Latex and back to an
>> image
>> by
>>
>> > using alt+. When I was looking at the Latex version of the
>> equation, I
>>
>> > moved the cursor onto the first $ and hit alt+, and the equation
>> turned
>>
>> > back into an image. I am using Office 2016, JAWS 18, and
>> MathType 6.9.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Regards
>>
>> > Louis Maher
>>
>> > Phone: 713-444-7838
>>
>> > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>>
>> >
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>>
>> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Doug
>>
>> > and
>>
>> > Molly Miron via Blindmath
>>
>> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:16 PM
>>
>> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>
>> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>
>> > Cc: Doug and Molly Miron <mndmrn at hbci.com>
>>
>> > Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
>> screen
>>
>> > reader,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Good day Louis,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I'm new to TeX and LaTeX and found your message very helpful.
>> I
>> didn't
>>
>> > know
>>
>> > that TeX is the underlying language for MathType. Also, it
>> took
>> me a while
>>
>> > to discover that alt+ is alt+[backslash] because NVDA doesn't read
>> the
>>
>> > character unless I single-step through it. After reading your
>> example
>>
>> > document, I opened, in current versions of Word, MathType and
>> MathPlayer, a
>>
>> > document I'd written several years ago inold versions of Word and
>> MathType.
>>
>> > The alt+ brought out the underlying TeX, but it wouldn't convert
>> back. In
>>
>> > your example and my old document, exponents are heavily braced, even
>> when
>>
>> > there is only one character. Why is this? In your e-mail
>> integral example
>>
>> > it seems you got away with minimal bracing. The letter "n"
>> seems to be
>>
>> > used
>>
>> > as a filler in multi-line equations. Can yoou recommend a
>> reference for
>>
>> > math type-setting in TeX or LaTeX? Thanks.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Regards,
>>
>> > Doug Miron
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>>
>> > From: Louis Maher via Blindmath
>>
>> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:05 PM
>>
>> > To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>>
>> > Cc: Louis Maher ; 'tolga karatas'
>>
>> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
>> reader,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Hello Tolga,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > If you are willing to learn LaTex, MathType is accessible for the
>> blind
>>
>> > with
>>
>> > JAWS. Here is a message I received from Neil Soiffer (I do not
>> have a
>>
>> > current e-mail address for Neil). Note that while he talks
>> about NVDA,
>>
>> > MathTypes works well in JAWS.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I do not think you need MathPlayer in JAWS.
>>
>> > -----
>>
>> > "You can use Word+NVDA+MathPlayer+MathType to author and read math
>> if
>> you
>>
>> > are willing to learn the math component of LaTeX. If you already
>> have
>> a
>>
>> > document with math in it, then the above combination will work for
>> *reading
>>
>> > *and navigating the math by speech. If you want to author math, then
>> in
>>
>> > Word
>>
>> > you can type in some LaTeX between $ $ and use MathType to convert
>> that
>>
>> > into
>>
>> > MathType math (so it looks nice), which can then be spoken and
>> navigated.
>>
>> > Given that it is easy to make a mistake in LaTeX, hearing the math
>> gives
>>
>> > you
>>
>> > a way to know that you have typed it correctly. If you didn't, then
>> you
>>
>> > convert it back into LaTeX and edit it and listen again.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > FYI: changing between LaTeX and vice-versa is done with ""Toggle
>> TeX""
>>
>> > which
>>
>> > has the keyboard shortcut alt+. As the name ""Toggle"" implies, alt+
>> will
>>
>> > also change the MathType equation back to TeX.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Here is a concrete example, if you want to write ""the integral from
>> 0 to
>>
>> > 10
>>
>> > of x times e to the negative 2x power, d x"", you would type into
>> Word:
>>
>> > $int_0^{10} x e^{-2 x} dx$ alt+
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Press left arrow to move before the math to make NVDA read the math
>> to you.
>>
>> > If you made a mistake, type alt+ and move right to edit the LaTeX.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > FYI: when I initially typed the example, I made a common TeX error
>> of
>> not
>>
>> > putting the ""10"" inside of {}s. Be careful to add braces to any
>> subscript
>>
>> > or superscript that is more than one character.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Neil Soiffer
>>
>> > Use insert equations to start entering an equation.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > -----
>>
>> >
>>
>> > If you are on the image of an equation, you type alt+backslash and
>> the
>>
>> > equation will be converted to LaTex, and you can read and change it.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I have attached an example file to try this.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I am just beginning to learn this.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Regards
>>
>> > Louis Maher
>>
>> > Phone: 713-444-7838
>>
>> > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>>
>> >
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>>
>> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> tolga
>>
>> > karatas via Blindmath
>>
>> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:45 PM
>>
>> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>
>> > Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
>>
>> > Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
>> reader,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Dear Sir/madam,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I am a visually impaired studying a degree in BSC Business
>> Information
>>
>> > technology:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but
>> jaws
>>
>> > isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user
>> friendly
>>
>> > either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really want to
>> use
>>
>> > math
>>
>> > type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the accessibility is not
>> their.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge
>> please?
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Yours Faithfully,
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Tolga Karatas
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
>> > BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>
>> > <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
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>>
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>>
>> > BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>
>> > <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
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>>
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>>
>> > BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>
>> > <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> > blindmath-gems-home>
>>
>> >
>>
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