[Blindmath] Capital letters in MathType equations?

Mon Jan 9 23:08:37 UTC 2017

Sorry, there is a cut/paste typo in my reply. The file path to the file to
change in MathPlayer should be something like
   C:\Program Files (x86)\Design Science\MathPlayer\Rules\en\
ClearSpeak-unicode.tdl

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> As Lois indicated, you can edit the expression in MathType and add a
> preference so that it says "cap" instead of doing a pitch change. That will
> work for NVDA+MathPlayer in Word. If you have multiple equations that you
> want to change the behavior for, you can use the MathType tab in Word and
> choose "Format Equations" and load the preference there to change all the
> selected equations' speech or the entire document.
>
> If you never want the pitch change (e.g, because your speech engine
> doesn't do pitch changes), then you can change the MathPlayer rule itself.
> In (probably) C:\Dev\Cosmo\MathPlayer4\EqnLib\rules\pvt\en\ClearSpeak-unicode.tdl,
> look for the two occurrences of
>     && find_attribute(match, pref::Caps, "Auto")=="SayCaps"
> and delete those characters (leave the rest of the line there). Save the
> file and you should now hear "cap ..." for capital roman letters. It's a
> little messier for other cases. For the other cases, do a global (within
> the same file as before) find and replace of
>      find_attribute(match, pref::Caps, "Auto")!="SayCaps" ? "" : "cap ")
> with
>     "cap "
>
> What these changes do is remove the Caps Auto as a preference from
> MathPlayer and always say "Cap" for capital letters.
>
> Note: in case you weren't aware, you can change the default speech
> synthesizer that NVDA uses from espeak to one of the MS speech engines.
> Those speech engines, like the eloquence speech engine used by JAWS (which
> also uses pitch change for caps by default) do support the pitch change for
> capital letters. If the pitch change is too subtle, you can increase the
> pitch change (look for "change=130" in that file). From the espeak
> documentation, it should support pitch change but NVDA might not be
> supporting it with espeak.
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> Neil Soiffer
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Frankel, Lois E via Blindmath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> The preferences set when creating or editing an equation in MathType
>> should be honored by supported browsers if the document is output using
>> MathPage to an html file. That is, the preference-settings "live" in the
>> MathML. There are some limitations for IE in particular. Neil Soiffer would
>> be better able to describe what works in what browsers.
>>
>> BTW, I did notice that while the rule does change pitch for capital
>> letters in the Roman alphabet, Greek letters do not get the pitch-change
>> treatment, nor (I think) do other alphabets such as Fractur.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Mathieu Barbe via Blindmath
>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 4:48 PM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Cc: Mathieu Barbe
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Capital letters in MathType equations?
>>
>> Hi Frankel,
>> if I understand what you say, to configure math player, we can use
>> preference-settings  in math type.
>> In this case, maybe that preference-setting in math type can modifing
>> math player behavior in Internet Explorer?
>> Thanks, Mathieu
>>
>>
>> Le 09/01/2017 22:33, Frankel, Lois E via Blindmath a écrit :
>> > Speech for capital letters in MathPlayer is governed by two
>> preference-settings in MathType:
>> >
>> > Caps_Auto is the default and should use a pitch-change to indicate the
>> capitals. However, not there may be voices that do not handle pitch-change
>> commands well.
>> >
>> > Caps_SayCaps will say "Cap" before each capital letter.
>> >
>> > This information is pulled from the document:
>> http://www.dessci.com/en/reference/ies-ets/instructional_
>> material/ClearSpeakRulesAndPreferences.docx, which describes all
>> ClearSpeak conventions used by MathPlayer.
>> >
>> > Preferences for math expressions are set by MathType. Instructions are
>> > here:
>> > http://www.dessci.com/en/reference/ies-ets/instructional_material/defa
>> > ult.htm#authoring_guides
>> >
>> > If you do not find the relevant preferences in you installation of
>> MathType, you may also need to download and install them:
>> http://www.dessci.com/en/reference/ies-ets/instructional_
>> material/AllEQPFiles.zip. Instructions for the installation (which
>> simply involves extracting the files to any location you like) are here:
>> >
>> > http://www.dessci.com/en/reference/ies-ets/instructional_material/defa
>> > ult.htm#authoring_guides
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> > Aqil Sajjad via Blindmath
>> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 3:45 PM
>> > To: Blind Math
>> > Cc: Aqil Sajjad
>> > Subject: [Blindmath] Capital letters in MathType equations?
>> >
>> > I am using NVDA to read MathType equations in MS word. I also have
>> MathPlayer installed. NVDA is not reading capital letters differently from
>> lower case letters. This is happening for both Greek and English letters
>> inside equations. Is there a solution?
>> >
>> >
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