[BlindMath] FW: MathPlayer Braille Display Issues

[Donald Winiecki]

Dr. Frankel and list members,

That is a very neat project!  Kudos.

I recall that Abraham Nemeth had a technology he called `MATHSPEAK` that he
said would produce unambiguous verbalization of maths formulae.  It
produces a reading that I imagine will be very different from what `Clear
Speak` does.  It is interesting to compare the superficial differences, and
their applications, as intended by you and your collaborators, and Dr.
Nemeth.

Attached is a gloss by Dr. Nemeth (the embedded is no longer active) on
MATHSPEAK, and below is a URL to some more current developments.

http://www.gh-mathspeak.com/

Best,

_don



On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Frankel, Lois E via BlindMath <
blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> The document can also be downloaded here:
> http://www.dessci.com/en/reference/ies-ets/instructional_material/
> default.htm
>
> I noticed that a word had gone astray in the acknowledgements in the
> version posted to this list, so wanted to be sure that NVAccess, who did
> the modifications to NVDA gets the credit it is due, since that word was
> lost from the document as posted here. Lots of other ClearSpeak info there
> as well.
>
> Full Disclosure:
> I was the PI of the project that developed the ClearSpeak materials. Our
> final paper, along with earlier papers and presentations, is available here:
> http://www.dessci.com/en/reference/ies-ets/reports.htm
>
> Regards,
> Lois
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Louis
> Maher via BlindMath
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 9:11 PM
> To: 'blind math' <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Louis Maher <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> Subject: [BlindMath] FW: MathPlayer Braille Display Issues
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Louis Maher [mailto:ljmaher at swbell.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 3:32 PM
> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>;
> 'Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List'
> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: MathPlayer Braille Display Issues
>
> Folks,
>
> The conbination of MathPlayer, MathType, and NVDA is very effective.
>
> While I have not noticed any errors in the math speech, I am seeing errors
> in the Braille display output.
>
> In the MathPlayer tutorial
> (https://www.dessci.com/en/reference/ies-ets/instructional_material/
> MathPlay
> er_Navigation_Tutorial.docx), which I have attached to this message, The
> equations involving the distance formula are spoken correctly, but the
> Braille output lacks minus signs and closing parentheses.  You can see this
> in [Expressions 1, 2, and 3]: The distance formula: The distance between
> points and  is given by the formula  .
>
> Also, in the VFO (JAWS) web example
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/content/html/jawshq/MathML-Samples.html),
> The integral has an extra x1t1x on the end, and the Sine function has an
> extra x5 at the end.  Again, the speech is correct.
>
> The JAWS math mode does not have these issues.
>
> I am using the latest releases of NVDA, Firefox,  and JAWS, and a
> HumanWare Brailliant 40 (the original Brailliant display) which is called a
> Baum super vario.
>
> I would appreciate a second Braille output opinion.  It could be something
> in my own environment.
>
>
> Regards
> Louis Maher
> Phone: 713-444-7838
> E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>
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