[BlindMath] disabling math ML in place of LaTex

Tue Jun 13 03:31:50 UTC 2017

As Derek said, Wikipedia uses MathML that is hidden for accessibility.
NVDA, JAWS, and VoiceOver all pick that up for speech, navigation, and I
think braille (not 100% sure if JAWS does Nemeth braille). The key commands
to start navigating the math vary for each of them.

Server-side MathJax on Wikipedia's servers is used to generate the SVG
image that is shown.

Neil Soiffer

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Derek Scott Riemer via BlindMath <
blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Wikipedia uses mathml by default now. I could give you an large number of
> tips with mathjax and nvda, but jaws, sorry, can't help.
>
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Trevor Attenberg via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > MathJax utilizes LaTex, does it not? Don't know how to work with it just
> > yet. Actually, I've not seen math presented in this way recently on
> > Wikipedia--maybe it varies? Here's an example:
> > x 2   + 2 x − 2 = 0   {\displaystyle 1)\ x^{2}+2x-2=0}
> >   Isn't the second part, where it says "desplaystyle, an aspect of
> LaTex?.
> > Sometimes the exponents in the first halves, before the {\ do not show as
> > superscripts.
> > But I have elsewhere seen what you are describing Zach.
> > Trevor
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Zach [mailto:zm290 at msstate.edu]
> > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 10:36 AM
> > To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics';
> > tyler at tysdomain.com
> > Cc: 'Trevor Attenberg'
> > Subject: RE: [BlindMath] disabling math ML in place of LaTex
> >
> > I believe the equations in Wikipedia are generated with, or in accordance
> > with, or some form thereof with MathJax. MathJax is a JavaScript display
> > engine for mathematics that works in all browsers, but is kind of
> confusing
> > at first. https://www.mathjax.org/ I find I have to press enter to open
> > the equation, then I can navigate by element with the left and right
> arrows.
> > Using up or down arrow allows you to expand an element, say exponents, or
> > values enclosed in parenthesis, or logarithms. Hitting escape exits out
> of
> > equation navigation. I'm using JAWS 17.0 and haven't had to install any
> > plug-ins to use MathJax in IE.
> >
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> >
> > Zachary Mason
> > M.S. Student
> > Animal and Dairy Sciences
> > Mississippi State University
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Trevor
> > Attenberg via BlindMath
> > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 1:52 AM
> > To: tyler at tysdomain.com; 'Blind Math list for those interested in
> > mathematics' <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Trevor Attenberg <tattenberg at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] disabling math ML in place of LaTex
> >
> > Hi there Tyler et al.,
> > This won't be of much help, but I'm wondering about math on Wikipedia
> > myself, although I'm still only semi-literate with LaTex. I've found that
> > with JAWS, Math Player,  and Firefox I can get easier access to what I
> > assume to be Math ML math formulae by pressing enter on equations I
> > see--I'm not sure if the instances of this were specially marked up or
> > what. Is math ML particularly prone to displaying in an odd manor?
> Browsers
> > can switch between Math ML and LaTex--can't they?
> > I and many of my colleagues in Environmental science don't seem to have
> > the pressing need to know LaTex, and thus I've not been directly
> > instructed; thus I've found web content to be often difficult, but I am
> > still a greenhorn when it comes to dealing with this biz in smart
> tactical
> > fashion.
> > Best,
> > Trevor
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > Littlefield, Tyler via BlindMath
> > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:11 PM
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > Cc: Littlefield, Tyler
> > Subject: [BlindMath] disabling math ML in place of LaTex
> >
> > all:
> >
> > I'm having a bit of an irritating issue.
> >
> > I use Wikpedia for all kinds of stuff and most of the time there are
> > formulas that I want to use/look at, but can't. Previously I'd just read
> > the LaTex on wikipedia, which was sometimes messy but doable. Now instead
> > of LaTex I'm getting this god awful math ML thing where it chunks the
> > entire formula into one cell. By that I mean you right arrow once and get
> > space and right arrow again and you get the whole thing.
> > There's no copypaste or anything. I don't know where this rendering is
> > taking place, but it's always been irritating anyway because it does so
> > much weird translation. Does anyone know if there's a way to disable this
> > and just go back to good old LaTex?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
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