[BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 185, Issue 9

Chengetai Gorowoto chengetaigorowoto at gmail.com
Wed Dec 22 19:14:16 UTC 2021 

Hello hope i find you well i am sorry not to type using the former way may
you please help me to pinterest in our friends full once to use in android
device to do mathematics that's what i would like to do using paper text
latex editor please bear in mind that i do not know how to use all these
totally i would like you import from beginning to the end i will be using
in android 9 thank you in advance for your efforts to share and teach me
even if you want to send me in what you which i think is the best so that i
can understand the introduction to weber text latex edit please use any
means that will help me understand my
Thank you  very much
Me you please also pardon my mistakes i am voice typing is it is not clear
please tell me so that i type again

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>    2. Re: Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File (Bert Van Landeghem)
>    3. Re: Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File (Explorer)
>    4. Re: Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
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> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 08:32:14 +0530
> From: Explorer <kumarsunil1996ch at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>         <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [BlindMath] Reading math on android
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> Dear all
>    I was trying to read mathematics on android with talkback in chrome
> browser. but its reading math as normal latex text. but the same document
> with nvda or jaws is read perfectly on chrome browser for windows. I'm
> talking about wikipedia mathematics document, e.g. quadratic formula
> document here:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_formula
>
> Does anyone know a hack/trick to read mathematics on android? Also if there
> is a way that source file could be modified in such a manner that it
> becomes readable on android would also be of great help.
>
> Thanks and Regards
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 04:36:03 +0000
> From: Bert Van Landeghem <b.vanlandeghem at sheffield.ac.uk>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>         <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> Message-ID:
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> Dear George,
>
> Earlier I mentioned that your Mathtype equation was readable. but did you
> have to convert this manually? Normally word to TeX converters should be
> able to handle equations from the native equations editor in Word. Do you
> have an idea what was  particular about the equation I sent you, and why it
> might proof so difficult?
>
> Many thanks,
> Bert
>
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 16:15, George Bell via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bert,
> >
> > Just as an experiment, I have replicated the equation using MathType.
> >
> > Any change?
> >
> > George
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Bert Van
> > Landeghem via BlindMath
> > Sent: 17 December 2021 09:41
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> > blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Bert Van Landeghem <b.vanlandeghem at sheffield.ac.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I have now been in touch with the author, who says he has used the native
> > equation editor in Microsoft Word. I am attaching a very short extract to
> > this message (less than half a sentence). It contains a letter \theta
> which
> > is recognised by pandoc and JAWS, and then another symbol/equation that
> is
> > not recognised. Any ideas?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Bert
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 04:23, Steve Jacobson via BlindMath <
> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > > It seems like we may be getting bogged down a bit here.  My
> > > understanding is that it is not known how the formulas were originally
> > > written.  Perhaps we need more information about the document.  He is
> > > using PanDoc.  Does anybody know if PanDoc will convert formulas in
> > > Word to LaTex?  If so, it is probably dependent upon how the formulas
> > > were entered.  It is, of course, possible that the formulas he is
> > > trying to read are actually images that were captured from another
> > program.
> > >
> > > Since last spring, one can enter equations in Nemeth Code with JAWS
> > > and they are stored in Word's Equation Editor.  I had heard that the
> > > Equation editor can store formulas in a number of formats now, but I
> > > don't know any of the details.  Perhaps others here know.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Steve Jacobson
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Neil
> > > Soiffer via BlindMath
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 5:21 PM
> > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > >
> > > If the equations are created with MathType, then they are stored in
> > > the docx file as an object that has its own format. MathType is the
> > > program that reads that format, although the format is documented <
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.
> > > wiris.com%2Fen%2Fmathtype%2Foffice_tools%2Fmathtype-sdk%2Fmtef4&da
> > > ta=04%7C01%7C%7C4e952474db8e4f78950d08d9c0eadfb4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
> > > 5aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637752937300533934%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJ
> > > WIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000
> > > &sdata=M4nAIW1NaUa%2B76neQi5gDixkoFnB7aLAu%2Fcj5SSvmtU%3D&rese
> > > rved=0>
> > > and
> > > one could potentially write something that reads that and converts it
> > > to MathML. That then could be added to pandoc or NVDA or whatever and
> > > thereby eliminate the need for MathType. AFAIK, no one besides Design
> > > Science (now
> > > WIRIS) ever implemented a reader for that format. Obviously, it is a
> > > non-trivial amount of work.
> > >
> > > Neil Soiffer
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:29 PM Bert Van Landeghem via BlindMath <
> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Robert,
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks for your feedback. I will consider Mathtype, but are you
> > > > sure this is the problem I am experiencing? With pandoc one should
> > > > be able to convert docx files to LaTeX.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Bert
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 17:17, rjaquiss via BlindMath <
> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Bert:
> > > > >
> > > > > You will need MathType software to work with Word documents.
> > > > > MathType allows a user to convert equasions in Word to Latex.
> > > > > MathType is a plugin for Word.
> > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Robert
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > > Bert
> > > > > Van
> > > > > Landeghem via BlindMath
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 7:43 AM
> > > > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > > > > Cc: Bert Van Landeghem
> > > > > Subject: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I received a .docx file and have converted it to LaTeX with Pandoc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately it seems that the formulae are not converted the way
> > > > > I
> > > was
> > > > > hoping they would be. Scientific notation seems to be translated
> > > > > with images.
> > > > > "\includegraphics{media/image16.emf}." is example code. No image
> > > > > files
> > > > seem
> > > > > however to have been generated. Does anybody know what the problem
> > > might
> > > > > be, and whether or not there is a possibility to make these
> > > > > equations
> > > and
> > > > > symbols accessible?
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > Bert
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 13:59:39 +0530
> From: Explorer <kumarsunil1996ch at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>         <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
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> As others have mentioned on thread, it matters how are source equations are
> put into word (also I believe office word version also matters, earlier
> equation editor may not have been accessible). this is one of the result of
> quick google search on topic:
>
> https://teachinghub.bath.ac.uk/accessible-maths-with-microsoft-equation-editor-guidance/
>
> But with latest word equation editor, one can generate accessible math
> (again, I don't like the way it reads math in word and therefore prefer to
> generate html out of word containing math using pandoc using --mathjax or
> --mathml flag depending on whether you want to read them with mathjax
> accessibility support, mathplayer or jaws engine).
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 10:07 AM Bert Van Landeghem via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Dear George,
> >
> > Earlier I mentioned that your Mathtype equation was readable. but did you
> > have to convert this manually? Normally word to TeX converters should be
> > able to handle equations from the native equations editor in Word. Do you
> > have an idea what was  particular about the equation I sent you, and why
> it
> > might proof so difficult?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Bert
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 16:15, George Bell via BlindMath <
> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Bert,
> > >
> > > Just as an experiment, I have replicated the equation using MathType.
> > >
> > > Any change?
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Bert Van
> > > Landeghem via BlindMath
> > > Sent: 17 December 2021 09:41
> > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: Bert Van Landeghem <b.vanlandeghem at sheffield.ac.uk>
> > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I have now been in touch with the author, who says he has used the
> native
> > > equation editor in Microsoft Word. I am attaching a very short extract
> to
> > > this message (less than half a sentence). It contains a letter \theta
> > which
> > > is recognised by pandoc and JAWS, and then another symbol/equation that
> > is
> > > not recognised. Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > > Bert
> > >
> > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 04:23, Steve Jacobson via BlindMath <
> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It seems like we may be getting bogged down a bit here.  My
> > > > understanding is that it is not known how the formulas were
> originally
> > > > written.  Perhaps we need more information about the document.  He is
> > > > using PanDoc.  Does anybody know if PanDoc will convert formulas in
> > > > Word to LaTex?  If so, it is probably dependent upon how the formulas
> > > > were entered.  It is, of course, possible that the formulas he is
> > > > trying to read are actually images that were captured from another
> > > program.
> > > >
> > > > Since last spring, one can enter equations in Nemeth Code with JAWS
> > > > and they are stored in Word's Equation Editor.  I had heard that the
> > > > Equation editor can store formulas in a number of formats now, but I
> > > > don't know any of the details.  Perhaps others here know.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > Steve Jacobson
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Neil
> > > > Soiffer via BlindMath
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 5:21 PM
> > > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Cc: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> > > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > >
> > > > If the equations are created with MathType, then they are stored in
> > > > the docx file as an object that has its own format. MathType is the
> > > > program that reads that format, although the format is documented <
> > > >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.
> > > > wiris.com
> %2Fen%2Fmathtype%2Foffice_tools%2Fmathtype-sdk%2Fmtef4&da
> > > >
> ta=04%7C01%7C%7C4e952474db8e4f78950d08d9c0eadfb4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
> > > >
> 5aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637752937300533934%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJ
> > > >
> WIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000
> > > >
> &sdata=M4nAIW1NaUa%2B76neQi5gDixkoFnB7aLAu%2Fcj5SSvmtU%3D&rese
> > > > rved=0>
> > > > and
> > > > one could potentially write something that reads that and converts it
> > > > to MathML. That then could be added to pandoc or NVDA or whatever and
> > > > thereby eliminate the need for MathType. AFAIK, no one besides Design
> > > > Science (now
> > > > WIRIS) ever implemented a reader for that format. Obviously, it is a
> > > > non-trivial amount of work.
> > > >
> > > > Neil Soiffer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:29 PM Bert Van Landeghem via BlindMath <
> > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Robert,
> > > > >
> > > > > Many thanks for your feedback. I will consider Mathtype, but are
> you
> > > > > sure this is the problem I am experiencing? With pandoc one should
> > > > > be able to convert docx files to LaTeX.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Bert
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 17:17, rjaquiss via BlindMath <
> > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Bert:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You will need MathType software to work with Word documents.
> > > > > > MathType allows a user to convert equasions in Word to Latex.
> > > > > > MathType is a plugin for Word.
> > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Robert
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Bert
> > > > > > Van
> > > > > > Landeghem via BlindMath
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 7:43 AM
> > > > > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > > > > > Cc: Bert Van Landeghem
> > > > > > Subject: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I received a .docx file and have converted it to LaTeX with
> Pandoc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unfortunately it seems that the formulae are not converted the
> way
> > > > > > I
> > > > was
> > > > > > hoping they would be. Scientific notation seems to be translated
> > > > > > with images.
> > > > > > "\includegraphics{media/image16.emf}." is example code. No image
> > > > > > files
> > > > > seem
> > > > > > however to have been generated. Does anybody know what the
> problem
> > > > might
> > > > > > be, and whether or not there is a possibility to make these
> > > > > > equations
> > > > and
> > > > > > symbols accessible?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > Bert
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 11:01:20 -0000
> From: <george at techno-vision.co.uk>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
>         <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> Message-ID: <00f001d7f65a$1bf59d90$53e0d8b0$@techno-vision.co.uk>
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>
> Hi Bert,
>
> Most of my exposure to Word and mathematics relates to importing Word,
> containing math, into the Duxbury Braille software.
>
> Many moons ago, Word contained a scaled down version of MathType when it
> was
> developed by Design Science in the USA.  What is in Word now is anyone's
> guess, but you can be sure Microsoft have code of their own in there.
>
> That said, Design Science has been taken over by WIRIS from Spain.
>
> At the end of the day, we have taken the easy way out, and given an
> education price of ?35.00 (UK Pounds), it is a very small price to pay.
> And
> especially since it can add equations into WordPress.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Bert Van
> Landeghem via BlindMath
> Sent: 21 December 2021 04:36
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Bert Van Landeghem <b.vanlandeghem at sheffield.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
>
> Dear George,
>
> Earlier I mentioned that your Mathtype equation was readable. but did you
> have to convert this manually? Normally word to TeX converters should be
> able to handle equations from the native equations editor in Word. Do you
> have an idea what was  particular about the equation I sent you, and why it
> might proof so difficult?
>
> Many thanks,
> Bert
>
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 16:15, George Bell via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bert,
> >
> > Just as an experiment, I have replicated the equation using MathType.
> >
> > Any change?
> >
> > George
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Bert Van
> > Landeghem via BlindMath
> > Sent: 17 December 2021 09:41
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> > blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Bert Van Landeghem <b.vanlandeghem at sheffield.ac.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I have now been in touch with the author, who says he has used the
> > native equation editor in Microsoft Word. I am attaching a very short
> > extract to this message (less than half a sentence). It contains a
> > letter \theta which is recognised by pandoc and JAWS, and then another
> > symbol/equation that is not recognised. Any ideas?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Bert
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 04:23, Steve Jacobson via BlindMath <
> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > > It seems like we may be getting bogged down a bit here.  My
> > > understanding is that it is not known how the formulas were
> > > originally written.  Perhaps we need more information about the
> > > document.  He is using PanDoc.  Does anybody know if PanDoc will
> > > convert formulas in Word to LaTex?  If so, it is probably dependent
> > > upon how the formulas were entered.  It is, of course, possible that
> > > the formulas he is trying to read are actually images that were
> > > captured from another
> > program.
> > >
> > > Since last spring, one can enter equations in Nemeth Code with JAWS
> > > and they are stored in Word's Equation Editor.  I had heard that the
> > > Equation editor can store formulas in a number of formats now, but I
> > > don't know any of the details.  Perhaps others here know.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Steve Jacobson
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Neil
> > > Soiffer via BlindMath
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 5:21 PM
> > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > >
> > > If the equations are created with MathType, then they are stored in
> > > the docx file as an object that has its own format. MathType is the
> > > program that reads that format, although the format is documented <
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.
> > > wiris.com%2Fen%2Fmathtype%2Foffice_tools%2Fmathtype-sdk%2Fmtef4&
> > > da
> > > ta=04%7C01%7C%7C4e952474db8e4f78950d08d9c0eadfb4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb
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> > > se
> > > rved=0>
> > > and
> > > one could potentially write something that reads that and converts
> > > it to MathML. That then could be added to pandoc or NVDA or whatever
> > > and thereby eliminate the need for MathType. AFAIK, no one besides
> > > Design Science (now
> > > WIRIS) ever implemented a reader for that format. Obviously, it is a
> > > non-trivial amount of work.
> > >
> > > Neil Soiffer
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:29 PM Bert Van Landeghem via BlindMath <
> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Robert,
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks for your feedback. I will consider Mathtype, but are
> > > > you sure this is the problem I am experiencing? With pandoc one
> > > > should be able to convert docx files to LaTeX.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Bert
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 17:17, rjaquiss via BlindMath <
> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Bert:
> > > > >
> > > > > You will need MathType software to work with Word documents.
> > > > > MathType allows a user to convert equasions in Word to Latex.
> > > > > MathType is a plugin for Word.
> > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Robert
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > > > > Of
> > > Bert
> > > > > Van
> > > > > Landeghem via BlindMath
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 7:43 AM
> > > > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > > > > Cc: Bert Van Landeghem
> > > > > Subject: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I received a .docx file and have converted it to LaTeX with Pandoc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately it seems that the formulae are not converted the
> > > > > way I
> > > was
> > > > > hoping they would be. Scientific notation seems to be translated
> > > > > with images.
> > > > > "\includegraphics{media/image16.emf}." is example code. No image
> > > > > files
> > > > seem
> > > > > however to have been generated. Does anybody know what the
> > > > > problem
> > > might
> > > > > be, and whether or not there is a possibility to make these
> > > > > equations
> > > and
> > > > > symbols accessible?
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > Bert
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