[BlindRUG] Emacs for Statistical Applications with Screen Readers

Wed Jul 26 08:32:57 UTC 2017

Hi Laxmisagar,

No problem. To begin, it's probably worth checking your installation is working as it should. Can you try launching R from within Emacs with the command Alt+x and then the letter R? The process should launch, and ask you to choose the path in which to start R's working directory. you can just use the default for now, so press enter. You should then have the R terminal window opened from within Emacs, and have the cursor positioned after the > prompt. Then just try executing some simple commands (2+3, 4*8, etc). You will be able to press the up arrow to read R's output, and shouldn't need to use the JAWS cursor.

Let me know how you get on.

cheers,
Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindRUG [mailto:blindrug-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laxmisagar Samai via BlindRUG
Sent: 26 July 2017 08:26
To: Blind R Users Group <blindrug at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Laxmisagar Samai <laxmisagar304 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BlindRUG] Emacs for Statistical Applications with Screen Readers

Hi Robin,

Thanks for the time, I have added R to the path environment variable, but unable to edit anything on the emacs buffer.
can I directly start writing R commands in the emacs buffer? or something else is required?
I am a beginner in this, hence would request for a detailed instructions.

Thank you
Laxmisagar

On 7/25/17, Williams, Robin via BlindRUG <blindrug at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Appologies for the slow response - I've been away getting married.
>
> In brief, I use Vincent Goulet's modified distribution of Emacs, which 
> comes bundled with Emacs Speaks Statistics (and other utilities). In 
> all honesty I haven't done anything particularly special to make this 
> work. I'm currently using JAWS 17 under Windows 7, although I've also 
> had reports that it works well with NVDA.
> The experience isn't perfect, but it works well enough for me. I 
> regularly have to refresh the virtual screen buffer (JAWS key + 
> escape), but apart from that it works as I would like. Install this, 
> and make sure your current version of R is added to your system PATH 
> environment variable. You should then be able to launch the R process with Alt+x R.
>
> My typical workflow is to have the R process window open and to be 
> editing commands in a separate Emacs buffer (make sure this is saved 
> with a .r or .R extension). I then have full use of the handy Emacs 
> Speaks Statistics keystrokes. The keystrokes I use most commonly are:
> CTRL+c CTRL+j - send the current line to the R process for execution c 
> CTRL+CTRL+r - send the currently selected region for execution, you 
> CTRL+must
> first select the block of code you wish to send in the standard Emacs 
> way, i.e. I can provide further instructions, or you can find out online.
> CTRL+Alt+; - comment / uncomment the selected region f - move to the 
> CTRL+Alt+end of the current code block. I've only discovered
> this recently, and find it particularly useful. Place the cursor on 
> the opening brace ({) of a function definition or a control flow 
> statement, and press CTRL+Alt+f to move to the end of the current block.
>
> There are many other keystrokes available, which I should make more use of.
> One keystroke to be aware of is the _ - by default this prints the R 
> arrow (<-), to produce the _ character you must press it twice.
> I recommend you set your screenreader to announce all punctuation, and 
> modify your .emacs file as you find necessary (I can go in to further 
> details, but mine is pretty standard). For now, let me know how you get on.
>
> Bests,
> Robin
>
> From: BlindRUG [mailto:blindrug-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Liz 
> Hare via BlindRUG
> Sent: 21 July 2017 16:54
> To: Blind R Users Group
> Cc: Liz Hare
> Subject: Re: [BlindRUG] Emacs for Statistical Applications with Screen 
> Readers
>
> Yes, I'm very curious about how Robin is using Emacs in Windows with a 
> screen reader!
>
> Thanks!
> Liz
>
> Liz Hare, PhD
> Dog Genetics LLC
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> On Jul 21, 2017, at 3:07 AM, Laxmisagar Samai via BlindRUG 
> <blindrug at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindrug at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>
> Thank you Liz,
> Robin, would be waiting for your reply.
>
>
> On 7/20/17, Williams, Robin via BlindRUG 
> <blindrug at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindrug at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I use R with Emacs (not Emacspeak) under windows on a daily basis, 
> it's by far my preferred method of working. I'm away on holiday this 
> week, so am very short of time. I'll reply in more detail next week.
>
> Bests
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindRUG [mailto:blindrug-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Liz 
> Hare via BlindRUG
> Sent: 20 July 2017 14:30
> To: Blind R Users Group
> Cc: Liz Hare
> Subject: Re: [BlindRUG] Emacs for Statistical Applications with Screen 
> Readers
>
> Hi Laxmisagar,
>
> I think it's pretty difficult to use a screen reader with Emacs in 
> Windows, unless you can get Emacspeak running. There is a port of 
> Emacspeak for Windows but it's not in wide use and I don't have direct 
> experience with it.
>
> I do use R with Emacspeak on Mac and have also done it on Linux. Emacs 
> has a package called Emacs Speaks Statistics (ESS) that facilitates 
> running R interactively. I like this setup but it has a pretty steep 
> learning curve and I kind of learn the bits and pieces I need as I go 
> along.
>
> Liz
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2017, at 7:02 AM, Laxmisagar Samai via BlindRUG 
> <blindrug at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindrug at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone has any experience in using Emacs as an editing 
> application for statistical softwares like, R, SAS and STATA with 
> screen readers on a windows machine?
> I request for some help.
>
> Thank you
> Laxmisagar
> Mumbai (India)
>
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