[Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
trishs
slosser at metrocast.net
Mon Jun 1 02:50:28 UTC 2009
Thank you. You know, I felt that I was more harsh, and had a
worse attitude about the steps counting, thread. I did learn
something, though, and was more than willing to do so. Any way,
thanks again.
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net
>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:19:43 -0500
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>Hello Trishhs. Sorry to see you having to face these comments.
I do not
>understand all about energies and Meridians. I guess it is tough
when you
>write from Atlantis and some folks just don't understand.
>I hope you will keep on sharing. There's a lot we don't know,
and I, for
>one, would enjoy hearing about energy sources I don't know how to
tap. I'm
>not even certain I'm against hearing from people who believe in
astrology,
>those who say they can communicate with the dead, and people who
believe
>they have some ability to predict the future. I can't do any of
those
>things, but I'm not prepared to say that they can't be done
simply because
>they don't fall in my repertoire.
>Thanks again for sharing.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:47 PM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>> Well! Seems a lot has transpired since I last "saw you guys!"
>> Bad energy, people! Bad energy!
>> Somebody's got a blockage!
>> Ok. I'm done. . . I'm going to go and grow up now. And, since
I get to
>> come back, I'll talk to you soon (TTYS)
>> Thanks, to all, for your back up.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>Date sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:49:35 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>I'm probably old enough to be your father or grandfather. You
>> sound like a
>>>drugged out adolescent with your energy pathways, meridians and
>> finally,
>>>"perhaps my energy didn't reach your ears". Your energy wouldn't
>> reach my
>>>ears if you were in the house next to mine. Next, you'll be
>> talking about
>>>astrological signs. Grow up you foolish child.
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:07 PM
>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>Hey, Schwartz!
>>> #1. When did I "assume that all credible knowledge lies with in
>>>Western culture.?"
>>>#2. I "misapplied the vast body of Eastern wisdom", how?"
>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but no where did I see myself
>>>disrespectful to Eastern, or Western culture.
>>> Being ignorant of customs, I have great respect for Eastern
>>>wisdom. Just brushing the surface, through Massage Therapy
>>>training was one of the most interesting, complicated, and
>>>difficult things I've ever done.
>>> Miss. chauvinistic, childish, and ignorant hear, never made any
>>>such claim. I mentioned the words touch, intension, energy, and
>>>meridian. So. Because you've never heard of a meridian, I don't
>>>know what I'm talking about?
>>> I'd be willing to bet there's an Eastern word for things like
>>>your defensive name calling. In Western terms, it's called Get a
>>>grip!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>Date sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:18:49 -0400
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>It is chauvinistic to assume that all credible knowledge resides
>>>within
>>>>Western culture. It is childish and ignorant to misapply the
>>>vast body of
>>>>Eastern wisdom.
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:29 PM
>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>Excuse me. Perhaps my words touched your ears, and you've
>>>>misunderstood them? Or, perhaps I wasn't quite following the
>>>>thread? It's possible. I make mistakes from time to time, too.
>>>>No worries!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:25:41 -0400
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>Sorry, but I still have no idea what you are talking about, nor
>>>>do you.
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:28 AM
>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>This applied to the intension of touch.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Date sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:11:23 -0400
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>And just what does this have to do with touching or being
>>>>>touched? Can you
>>>>>>tell which organ someone is touching you with by its energy
>>>>>pathway?
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:15 PM
>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>In Eastern medicine it's called a meridian. There are energy
>>>>>>channels which correspond to each body organ, which Eastern
>>>>>>cultures have mapped for about as long as there's been medicine.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:09:33 -0400
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>What in the world is an "energy Pathway"
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:51 AM
>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>As far as "across the board answers", and people getting "mad",
>>>>>>>we each have the power and self responsibility to say I'm
>>>>>>>uncomfortable with that," or "Stop it! That's inappropriate!" Or
>>>>>>>"Could you do that again?" I feel as though I can speak for most
>>>>>>>people when I say that we have all been in situations where a
>>>>>>>person's touch "creeped us out", or made us want more. There are
>>>>>>>many types of touch, and it is ALL ABOUT INTENSION, which is
>>>>>>>carried through invisible energy pathways.
>>>>>>>There are also times when we misunderstand, or misinterpret
>>>>>>>someone's touch. It can be difficult to navigate these energy
>>>>>>>pathways, so your power is in your own intension for your own
>>>>>>>comfort level.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com
>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:47:07 -0400
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>It has nothing to do with blindness in my case. I just hate
>>>>>>>being touched.
>>>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:40 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>> Allot of sighted people think that they can't talk to us without
>>>>>>>putting
>>>>>>>>> there hands on us.
>>>>>>>>> The thing is allot of people like my self really hate to be
>>>>>>>touched, When
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> ask them to please take there hands off, they get mad.
>>>>>>>>> I guess there is no across the board answer for things like
>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:42 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>> This is a very complicated topic. There are those, like me, who
>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>> like being touched during conversations with individuals I
>>>>>>>really don't
>>>>>>>>>> know very well. I'm wondering if blind individuals understand
>>>>>>>spacial
>>>>>>>>>> concepts during conversations. You don't want to be too close
>>>>>>>during a
>>>>>>>>>> conversation or too far away. I suspect most of us who
>>>>>>>understand this
>>>>>>>>>> art have had some coaching from sighted individuals whom they
>>>>>>>trust.
>>>>>>>>>> \
>>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>>>I was raised giving and receiving warm hand shakes, or in some
>>>>>>>>>>> situations, embraces and or kisses, all of which seem to me to
>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>> quite germ spreading! I like the bowing idea a lot!
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>From: Joel Zimba <jzimba at cavtel.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:08:35 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>I love these kinds of topics. I believe the issue of blind or
>>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>>>>is mostly meaningless when it comes to whether you should touch
>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>or not. It comes down more to how comfortable you are with what
>>>>>>>>>>> you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>doing and your motivation for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>The examples of folks talking with their hands is a great one.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>so much that they talk with their hands, but that touching is a
>>>>>>>>>>> means of
>>>>>>>>>>>>communication. In fact, if you are comfortable enough with
>>>>>>>>>>> yurself to
>>>>>>>>>>>>touch someone else while speaking to them, you'll pull them into
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>paradigm. This is common wisdom in the sales world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>For the blind among us, (myself included) this is most easily
>>>>>>>>>>> donw with
>>>>>>>>>>>>the back of the hand and making solid contact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>When it comes to shaking hands, I decided to take the initiative
>>>>>>>>>>> early
>>>>>>>>>>>>and often. When someone doesn't take my hand, I leave it out
>>>>>>>>>>> there and
>>>>>>>>>>>>then eventually start snapping my fingers. This calls attention
>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>fact that the other people are not playing the social game. I
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>taught that it is not obligatory for women to shake hands. Long
>>>>>>>>>>> ago I
>>>>>>>>>>>>decided that if women want equal rights, they can do the glad
>>>>>>>>>>> handing as
>>>>>>>>>>>>well, so I expect them to shake and I do the snapping as well. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimes let the elderly off the hook, though oddly, the older
>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>is, the more likely they are to initiate or take my hand. Proper
>>>>>>>>>>>>conduct seems to not always be taught to the younger generation.
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>we all need to go back to finishing school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Now, if someone could explain the bowing protocol to me so that
>>>>>>>>>>> my Asian
>>>>>>>>>>>>friends would be surprised and pleased by my manners, I would be
>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>greatful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Joel
>>>>>>>>>>>>On 5/23/2009 12:40 PM, Jeffrey Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerardo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am also blind as a result of RP and a clinical psychologist.
>>>>>>>>>>> My vision
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deteriorated at a different pace. I drove a car until I was 27
>>>>>>>>>>> and did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> require adaptive technology to read and write until I was about
>>>>>>>>>>> 40. Now, at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 61, I have little more than light perception. When younger, I
>>>>>>>>>>> was often
>>>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed when my wife kindly noted that someone was reaching
>>>>>>>>>>> out to shake
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my hand and I was not noticing. Eventually, I learned to avoid
>>>>>>>>>>> this problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by taking the initiative. On occasion I reach out to discover
>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> person has quickly turned their back or departed, no big deal.
>>>>>>>>>>> I have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no experience with the touching. There are cultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences
>>>>>>>>>>> in such
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonverbal behaviors. For example, cultures vary in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>> what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regarded as personal space. Groups vary in terms of how close
>>>>>>>>>>> they stand to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> each other when speaking, and also with regard to touching
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> is common
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in some cultures and taboo in others. Perhaps your blindness
>>>>>>>>>>> has led you to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceed what is common in your culture or your parents may have
>>>>>>>>>>> felt bad for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you when they saw you reach out to touch someone and the person
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> departed. There are also a group of behaviors known as
>>>>>>>>>>> blindisms. We all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conduct little rituals of personal hygiene when alone which we
>>>>>>>>>>> would not do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in front of others. There is a tendency, particularly if one
>>>>>>>>>>> loses their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision gradually to assume that others see as we do. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by what others can see. We assume that if we can't see
>>>>>>>>>>> something others can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not either. This can lead us to embarrass ourselves by
>>>>>>>>>>> performing these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> grooming rituals in public. Recently, I have noticed that when
>>>>>>>>>>> I am walking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and thinking about a conversation which I had or will have with
>>>>>>>>>>> someone, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> am moving my lips as if I were speaking. I am working on
>>>>>>>>>>> suppressing this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior as I am certain that the sighted would see it as
>>>>>>>>>>> strange. Behavior
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is so ritualized, and blindness can lead us to engage in some
>>>>>>>>>>> peculiar ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As professionals, in particular, we don't want to be seen as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiosyncratic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Cindy Handel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:55 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings;Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerardo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of the time, when I would like to shake the hand of a
>>>>>>>>>>> sighted person, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just extend my hand and they grasp it and we shake hands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as touching the arm of people, I've never done this.
>>>>>>>>>>> When do you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? If you're talking with someone, it shouldn't be
>>>>>>>>>>> necessary, since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're participating in the conversation. I think we've all
>>>>>>>>>>> experienced a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time when we're talking to someone and learn that they walked
>>>>>>>>>>> away. Now, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're referring to touching a person's arm to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>>> still there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a way to insure that you still have their attention, that's
>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. I have met sighted people who talk with their hands
>>>>>>>>>>> and touch my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm or shoulder, for emphasis. So, that might not be so
>>>>>>>>>>> unusual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Gerardo Corripio"<gera1027 at prodigy.net.mx
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Blind-Talk"<blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Greetings;Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi listers:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm Gerardo from Mexico; 31 years old and a Psychologist
>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>> on my own
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my private practice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully I'll be able to learn lots of great things from you
>>>>>>>>>>> guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially of the NFB way of viewing and living with blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now for my debut question: I've been blind all my life due to
>>>>>>>>>>> RP; since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a teenager I remember developing a habbit of touching the
>>>>>>>>>>> arm of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people constanly to be sure he/she was still there. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> continued
>>>>>>>>>>> to do this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into adulthood until my family made the observation that this
>>>>>>>>>>> behavior isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen well by the sighted only a few days ago. I'm still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shocked
>>>>>>>>>>> by this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> observation to the point that now how to know if the person is
>>>>>>>>>>> still there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the voice gives feedback but when people talk it feels as
>>>>>>>>>>> if they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there but aren't there. How have you coped with this situation
>>>>>>>>>>> in that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to get rid of the habbit before-mentioned? Surely it has
>>>>>>>>>>> happened to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also when shaking hands with sighted people how to find the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>> to shake if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sighted person doesn't take the initiative?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see I've still have lots of tips and tricks to learn
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness, thus my interest in joining the list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerardo
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