[Blindtlk] Questions concerning how people look like

Mon Mar 1 03:06:50 UTC 2010

Well, for that matter, my Sarah says I can touch her face all I want to.  She loves me bringing her a nice hot cup of coffee every morning and having her feet rubbed as much as possible.  but, Homberto, remember, Gary, others and I are talking about settings of a more intimate nature where such things are more than welcome.  What confuses me about your messages is that there seems to be an insecurity that I can't quite put a finger on.  YOu say you're not negative about your blindness; and yet, frankly, I think maybe you're more negative than you consciously realize.  but, after all, that's why we're hear.

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On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Gary Wunder wrote:

> I touch faces - my lips with my wife's lips!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Medina" <michellem86 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions concerning how people look like
> 
> 
>> I do touch faces, but never ever without asking permission first.
>> 
>> On 2/27/10, Steve P. Deeley <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You ever heard of socialization skills?  This is what is needed in this
>>> case.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions concerning how people look like
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I was able to see a very little bit when I was a child.  But, I was never
>>>> able to see enough to identify faces.  So, that really isn't important to
>>>> me.  I agree with Connie and others; you can tell a lot more about a
>>>> person
>>>> from their voice and the way they treat you than by their appearance. You
>>>> can ask someone what they look like, and you may learn that she's pretty
>>>> or
>>>> what color hair and eyes she has.  But, at least for me, the way their
>>>> face
>>>> looks doesn't matter.
>>>> 
>>>> I once had a guy insist that I feel his face.  I didn't want to and
>>>> resisted.  But, he was quite persistent and I did.  It didn't really give
>>>> me
>>>> any information than I already knew...he had two eyes, a nose, mouth and
>>>> other facial features.  But, I didn't know any more about what he looked
>>>> like after than I did before touching his face.  So, it did nothing for
>>>> me.
>>>> 
>>>> The other day, a friend asked me what I thought someone looked like.  I
>>>> told
>>>> her that I really didn't know.  I just don't think about people's
>>>> appearance; at least not in detail.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions concerning how people look like
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have been blind all of my life and learned at a very early age that
>>>> you should always turn and look at the person you are speaking to.  I
>>>> have gotten to the point that if someone speaks to me and doesn't
>>>> look at me directly, it is hard to tell he/she is speaking to,
>>>> especially in a large group of people.  As for touching faces, I
>>>> scream in horror at the mere thought of it.  As a woman, I would not
>>>> like it done to me because it would mess up my makeup and just think
>>>> of the hygieneic aspects.  I also hate the stereotype attached to the
>>>> face touching from some very stupid movies.  Asforfinding out what a
>>>> person physically looks like, sometimes it can be done if you are
>>>> standing next to them or walking beside them.  You can tell if they
>>>> are tall or short, fat or thin.  Hair is a little difficult, but
>>>> occasionally if a person has very long hair, as I do, occasionally it
>>>> can blow up against you, or if you are in a store and the person
>>>> bends over to reach something on a low shelf, if the hair is long
>>>> enough, it may also brush your hand.  I notice this all the time in
>>>> stores because my husband has long hair also.  You can hear a smile
>>>> in a voice and itis easy to tell when laughter and a smile is
>>>> genuine.  If a person has a nice voice and speaks to you in a
>>>> pleasant manner, there is a good chance they don't look like
>>>> something out of a horror film, although voices can also be
>>>> deceiving.  Good luck.  I doubt if I have been of much help, but I tried.
>>>> 
>>>> Connie Canode
>>>> At 07:50 PM 2/25/2010, you wrote:
>>>>> TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
>>>>> 
>>>>>    I'm very sure everyone in this mailing list is blind. Maybe
>>>>> some of you are not. And well, I have a curiosity, or a question,
>>>>> that maybe you can answer for me and if it is not that intimidating:
>>>>>    As you know, sighted people tend to look at each other's face,
>>>>> or perhaps most of the body movements and the hands, while they're
>>>>> talking to each other. For example, when somebody is talking and
>>>>> facing another person, that person faces that other person, and he
>>>>> or she can look at the person's face. In addition, this does not
>>>>> happen when they are talking only; the person can just look at that
>>>>> other person, E.G. a boy says "hello" to a girl perhaps, and he
>>>>> looks at her because she is pretty (or she perhaps isn't) and he
>>>>> looks at her smile and he knows what she looks like. He can maybe
>>>>> remember her just through all those details of her. Furthermore,
>>>>> there are more case-scenarios out there that are very similar to this
>>>>> one.
>>>>>    While sighted people do this, as far as blind people are
>>>>> concerned, is there any way a blind person can do the same things
>>>>> just like the sighted? Can a blind person tell how someone looks
>>>>> like by some technique or some information? If I want to know how
>>>>> someone looks like, what can I do? Sometimes I think that probably
>>>>> by touching faces I can get a general detail of what he/she is
>>>>> like, but some people may see this as an offensive thing. I have
>>>>> just a little bit of vision (mostly out of the corner of my right
>>>>> eye), but I cannot see well enough to see these things. I can only
>>>>> see very close objects or people. But anyways, if, for example, I
>>>>> meet a nice girl and she says hello to me, and she carries out a
>>>>> conversation with me. How can I get the physical description of
>>>>> her? How do I know if she is just smiling without laughing? How do
>>>>> I know what her hair looks like? maybe she has a pointy nose, a
>>>>> big/small mouth, and probably really all straight and white teeth!
>>>>> How can I know these things? I could perhaps ask her, "What do you
>>>>> look like?" but I've had bad experiences asking that question,
>>>>> although some people are kind and they tell me. Again, I don't see
>>>>> any bad thing by touching people's faces, however, I'm not sure if
>>>>> I should totally do it because of an offense or just being disrespectful.
>>>>>    I am asking this question just for curiosity, and I'd like to
>>>>> see what you think about this. Any feedback and comments about this
>>>>> topic are welcome. I'd like to find out what other blind people
>>>>> have done to accomplish well this situation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you and have a very lucky day!
>>>>> 
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