[Blindtlk] Questions concerning how people look like

Mon Mar 1 06:17:30 UTC 2010

There are instances when touching a face is okay.  For example, when 
you want to comfort a child you stroke their forehead or cheek and of 
course your significant other, but never, never in a public setting 
with someone with whom you are not imtimate.  I touch my husband's 
face all the time, not because I want to see what he looks like 
because that just doesn't work.  A face is just a face with all of 
the usual parts, but because he has an incredible beard...smile and 
is incredibly handsome.

Connie Canode

Connie Canode
At 09:06 PM 2/28/2010, you wrote:
>Well, for that matter, my Sarah says I can touch her face all I want 
>to.  She loves me bringing her a nice hot cup of coffee every 
>morning and having her feet rubbed as much as possible.  but, 
>Homberto, remember, Gary, others and I are talking about settings of 
>a more intimate nature where such things are more than 
>welcome.  What confuses me about your messages is that there seems 
>to be an insecurity that I can't quite put a finger on.  YOu say 
>you're not negative about your blindness; and yet, frankly, I think 
>maybe you're more negative than you consciously realize.  but, after 
>all, that's why we're hear.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
>Now a Mac user!!!
>
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>On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Gary Wunder wrote:
>
> > I touch faces - my lips with my wife's lips!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Medina" 
> <michellem86 at gmail.com>
> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 4:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions concerning how people look like
> >
> >
> >> I do touch faces, but never ever without asking permission first.
> >>
> >> On 2/27/10, Steve P. Deeley <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You ever heard of socialization skills?  This is what is needed in this
> >>> case.
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> >>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:19 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions concerning how people look like
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I was able to see a very little bit when I was a child.  But, 
> I was never
> >>>> able to see enough to identify faces.  So, that really isn't 
> important to
> >>>> me.  I agree with Connie and others; you can tell a lot more about a
> >>>> person
> >>>> from their voice and the way they treat you than by their 
> appearance. You
> >>>> can ask someone what they look like, and you may learn that she's pretty
> >>>> or
> >>>> what color hair and eyes she has.  But, at least for me, the way their
> >>>> face
> >>>> looks doesn't matter.
> >>>>
> >>>> I once had a guy insist that I feel his face.  I didn't want to and
> >>>> resisted.  But, he was quite persistent and I did.  It didn't 
> really give
> >>>> me
> >>>> any information than I already knew...he had two eyes, a nose, mouth and
> >>>> other facial features.  But, I didn't know any more about what he looked
> >>>> like after than I did before touching his face.  So, it did nothing for
> >>>> me.
> >>>>
> >>>> The other day, a friend asked me what I thought someone looked like.  I
> >>>> told
> >>>> her that I really didn't know.  I just don't think about people's
> >>>> appearance; at least not in detail.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
> >>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:49 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions concerning how people look like
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I have been blind all of my life and learned at a very early age that
> >>>> you should always turn and look at the person you are speaking to.  I
> >>>> have gotten to the point that if someone speaks to me and doesn't
> >>>> look at me directly, it is hard to tell he/she is speaking to,
> >>>> especially in a large group of people.  As for touching faces, I
> >>>> scream in horror at the mere thought of it.  As a woman, I would not
> >>>> like it done to me because it would mess up my makeup and just think
> >>>> of the hygieneic aspects.  I also hate the stereotype attached to the
> >>>> face touching from some very stupid movies.  Asforfinding out what a
> >>>> person physically looks like, sometimes it can be done if you are
> >>>> standing next to them or walking beside them.  You can tell if they
> >>>> are tall or short, fat or thin.  Hair is a little difficult, but
> >>>> occasionally if a person has very long hair, as I do, occasionally it
> >>>> can blow up against you, or if you are in a store and the person
> >>>> bends over to reach something on a low shelf, if the hair is long
> >>>> enough, it may also brush your hand.  I notice this all the time in
> >>>> stores because my husband has long hair also.  You can hear a smile
> >>>> in a voice and itis easy to tell when laughter and a smile is
> >>>> genuine.  If a person has a nice voice and speaks to you in a
> >>>> pleasant manner, there is a good chance they don't look like
> >>>> something out of a horror film, although voices can also be
> >>>> deceiving.  Good luck.  I doubt if I have been of much help, 
> but I tried.
> >>>>
> >>>> Connie Canode
> >>>> At 07:50 PM 2/25/2010, you wrote:
> >>>>> TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    I'm very sure everyone in this mailing list is blind. Maybe
> >>>>> some of you are not. And well, I have a curiosity, or a question,
> >>>>> that maybe you can answer for me and if it is not that intimidating:
> >>>>>    As you know, sighted people tend to look at each other's face,
> >>>>> or perhaps most of the body movements and the hands, while they're
> >>>>> talking to each other. For example, when somebody is talking and
> >>>>> facing another person, that person faces that other person, and he
> >>>>> or she can look at the person's face. In addition, this does not
> >>>>> happen when they are talking only; the person can just look at that
> >>>>> other person, E.G. a boy says "hello" to a girl perhaps, and he
> >>>>> looks at her because she is pretty (or she perhaps isn't) and he
> >>>>> looks at her smile and he knows what she looks like. He can maybe
> >>>>> remember her just through all those details of her. Furthermore,
> >>>>> there are more case-scenarios out there that are very similar to this
> >>>>> one.
> >>>>>    While sighted people do this, as far as blind people are
> >>>>> concerned, is there any way a blind person can do the same things
> >>>>> just like the sighted? Can a blind person tell how someone looks
> >>>>> like by some technique or some information? If I want to know how
> >>>>> someone looks like, what can I do? Sometimes I think that probably
> >>>>> by touching faces I can get a general detail of what he/she is
> >>>>> like, but some people may see this as an offensive thing. I have
> >>>>> just a little bit of vision (mostly out of the corner of my right
> >>>>> eye), but I cannot see well enough to see these things. I can only
> >>>>> see very close objects or people. But anyways, if, for example, I
> >>>>> meet a nice girl and she says hello to me, and she carries out a
> >>>>> conversation with me. How can I get the physical description of
> >>>>> her? How do I know if she is just smiling without laughing? How do
> >>>>> I know what her hair looks like? maybe she has a pointy nose, a
> >>>>> big/small mouth, and probably really all straight and white teeth!
> >>>>> How can I know these things? I could perhaps ask her, "What do you
> >>>>> look like?" but I've had bad experiences asking that question,
> >>>>> although some people are kind and they tell me. Again, I don't see
> >>>>> any bad thing by touching people's faces, however, I'm not sure if
> >>>>> I should totally do it because of an offense or just being 
> disrespectful.
> >>>>>    I am asking this question just for curiosity, and I'd like to
> >>>>> see what you think about this. Any feedback and comments about this
> >>>>> topic are welcome. I'd like to find out what other blind people
> >>>>> have done to accomplish well this situation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you and have a very lucky day!
> >>>>>
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