[Blindtlk] "Its not safe for someone who can't see"

Tue Aug 2 18:16:32 UTC 2011

Hi all,

Don't forget the NFB here.  The Federation is the leading 
advocacy group for blind people.  So, why not use the NFB's 
strong advocacy in your favor? I'm not sure if he only deals with 
the government, but you might want to suggest to her to call or 
email John Paré at the national center.  He's the director for 
strategic initiatives, which mainly deals with the government, 
but that's where all the Federation's advocacy happens, so it's 
worth a try.  You can call him at 410-659-9314, extension 2218, 
or email jpare at nfb.org.  She (and Penny, for that matter) could 
also contact her state affiliate or chapter President.  Gary, is 
the woman in question involved with the Federation?

 Chris

"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)

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Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click 
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 Sent from my BrailleNote

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov
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Date sent: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:30:07 -0400
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] "Its not safe for someone who can't see"

Hi Guys,

I would first applaud Gary's suggestion.  I would first advise 
her to ignore the ridiculous demand.  It doesn't even merit a 
response in my opinion.  If they push it, however, and persist 
and continue to demand, then I would definitely get a civil 
rights agency or an attorney involved.

Diane Graves
Civil Rights Specialist
Indiana Civil Rights Commission
Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
317-232-2647

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George Washington Carver

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary McGee
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:51 PM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] "Its not safe for someone who can't see"

Hi, All;
	I wouldn't even try to get anything from a doctor.  I'd 
contact the
Civil Rights Commission or an attorney.  We weren't sent here to 
save the
world and the only educating this management need is education 
about the
law.
	I've read all these posts and I'm a bit biased, I realized, 
because
advocacy is what I do, but I seem to hear more about education 
than about
advocacy.  Perhaps ignorance is an excuse in life, but ignorance 
of the law
is NO excuse!  Martin Luther King said maybe you can't legislate 
morality,
but you CAN legislate how to treat people.  Stop the education 
and get an
attorney.
Sincerely,
Mary

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of T.  Joseph Carter
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:53 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Cc: gwunder at earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] "Its not safe for someone who can't see"

Wonder if she can get a doctor to write how absurd the notion 
that
his/her permission would be required for her to have a key that 
every
other tenant on the premises is given, just because of blindness.  
If
the doctor is really good, they'll add that it's quite fortunate 
for
the apartment manager that the letter is from a doctor and not a
lawyer.  *grin*

I suspect MY doctor would write such a letter, if asked to do so.  
In
fact, he'd be greatly amused to do it!  Hers I'm not so sure 
about.
But do feel free to give this email to the doctor in question for
possible inspiration!  *evil grin*

Joseph - kf7qzc

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:09:14AM -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
Sometimes, no matter how much you try to educate, people still 
have
their crazy misconceptions.  These are the times I'm really glad 
we
have the Federation!

Chris

"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)

The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually impaired youth in 
Maryland
have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this 
link
to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like 
us
on Facebook at I C.A.N.  Foundation.

Sent from my BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:59:52 -0500
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] "Its not safe for someone who can't see"

Our friend now has access to her pool.  They gave her a key but 
now
want a
doctor's statement.  I suggested she ignore them.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of T.  Joseph Carter
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 4:17 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] "Its not safe for someone who can't see"

Would it matter if you were completely blind?  It's not like 
seeing
is a
prerequisite for swimming.  Not getting lungs full of water seems 
to
be the
most primary requirement.

Joseph - KF7QZC

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 06:45:02PM -0700, Nikki Wunderlich wrote:
exactly I mean I'm not completely blind, but I still have limited
vision, and I still have access to our pool!

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