[Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

Sat Mar 23 15:22:26 UTC 2013

hi,

not completely, that is the response i have received in general terms when i 
have suggested having a doctor or someone with a medical background have 
some time on a convention agenda.
Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

> He was being sarcastic.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> christopher
> nusbaum
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:21 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>
> Correct answer? What correct answer? And who determines which answers
> are correct?
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 23, 2013, at 1:57 AM, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> that's not the correct answer.
>> you are supposed to be happy with learning to adapt and not wish to have
> vision restored.
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams"
> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>>
>>
>>> What's wrong with medical research. Hell, at some point, I want to be
> able
>>> to see if possible.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> Wolfe
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:37 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>>>
>>> Bryan,
>>>
>>>
>>>   What is wrong with bringing up medical research? I don't understand 
>>> the
>>> connatation to me that it gives me hope even if I don't see the end
> result
>>> of it. I don't see the controvercies of taboos of anything on online
> forums
>>> and all.
>>>
>>> On 3/22/13, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> oh man, you opened another can of worms there.
>>>> you may have been better off to spew a five minute string of swear
>>>> words instead of mentioning medical research.
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:46 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> David,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   The irony David is thtat I picked poli sci cause of the job
>>>>> security with the federal government for disabled workers. I truly
>>>>> wanted to be a computer scientist but since how that I didn't know
>>>>> nemeth code that I didn't pursue that field. I keep telling myself
>>>>> with the University of Miami NEI research that perhaps within five or
>>>>> more years that my vision could return, then I can pursue a field in
>>>>> the STEM fields. I personally hate the social sciences cause there is
>>>>> no real benchmarks so everyone disagrees on opinions not facts as
>>>>> much. So, I'm stuck with this degree like lots of normal students
>>>>> cause wanting job security not cause that I'd like it. Lastly, I'm
>>>>> not the best communicater just that I have a passion for counseling
>>>>> and for the time being that would be nice to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Anyone have any ideas on a poli sci doing counseling in the
>>>>> government? I'm thinking of financial aid advisor at a college or
>>>>> something. Perhaps I can do this cause the chief financial advisor at
>>>>> my university had a ph.d in historyr and theology degree not finance
>>>>> at all. I really would like to work with a domestic battery shelter,
>>>>> child abuse victims or financial management. I'd appreciate any ideas
>>>>> cause not sure of a general scope of what to do. Thanks for pointing
>>>>> out the obvious cause that is causing barriers in how to think aboutt
>>>>> professional life post-college. By the way, wish that more blind
>>>>> people would do more internships in their sophomore, junior and
>>>>> senior years cause this more than academics helps more than academics
> by
>>> far.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/22/13, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Peter, you need to decide what it is that you want to do, then
>>>>>> figure out how a blind guy can do it.  You are approaching it from
>>>>>> -- what  job can a blind guy do and what jobs do you have from a
>>>>>> blind guy.  If you get something you probably won't be happy because
>>>>>> it wasn't what you want to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 09:12 AM 3/21/2013, you wrote:
>>>>>>> Ray and others,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Thank you for replying to my message on this issue. The problem
>>>>>>> Ray is that I don't have any idea of what I'll be doing with a
>>>>>>> bachelors of arts in political science with the federal government.
>>>>>>> sure I know of what a poli sci professional does just not what I can
>>>>>>> do being blind and all is able to do at work. I've been to the NFB
>>>>>>> subdomains and profesional bios and AFB's Mentor connect and talked
>>>>>>> to political scientists who are blind just not at my level of under
>>>>>>> graduate experience. Some are either devoid of under graduate
>>>>>>> experience with graduate work experience or just of another time or
>>>>>>> place or finally transfered to other skill sets entirely into my
>>>>>>> field. I guess this work experience could shine some light on what I
>>>>>>> could do with my degree just seems kind of bleak at this point. Any
>>>>>>> ideas from you guys would be really cool!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Ray and all,
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>> p.s: I own a I-Phone 4s and might transfer personally to Apple just
>>>>>>> for work its pc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/21/13, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> > You are way over thinking the issue here.  Like Dave and other
>>>>>>> > people have said, you can think it to death and never really find
>>>>>>> > a
>>>>>>> solution.  Here's my
>>>>>>> > advice.  Stop it.  then, ask yourself what you most want or need
>>>>>>> to do.  You
>>>>>>> > will find this narrows it down pretty fast.  Now, once you have
>>>>>>> > that, find out what tools will best meet your needs.  For some,
>>>>>>> > it's windows-for others, like me, it's the Mac.  For still
>>>>>>> > others, neither will
>>>>>>> do.  You will
>>>>>>> > never find fully comprehenceive tutorials for everything all laid
>>>>>>> > out for you in one place.  At least, I don't think so.  Forget
>>>>>>> > being spoon-fed everything.  It ain't gonna happen.  So, take the
>>>>>>> > advice I gave
>>>>>>> you to start
>>>>>>> > with above and see where that takes you.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for
>>>>>>> > the blind built-in!
>>>>>>> > Sincerely,
>>>>>>> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>> > Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Peter Wolfe <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Dear NFB Talk Members,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>    Would I be better off to better familarize myself with my
>>>>>>> >> existing screen reader Window-Eyes or learn what is necessary
>>>>>>> >> for entry level for federal liberal arts career track e.g. Jaws
>>>>>>> >> instead? I'm always puzzling on tutorials of my former screen
>>>>>>> >> reader cause they are partial or completely devoid of adaquate
>>>>>>> >> detail examples to professions with endorsements or whatever for
>>>>>>> >> proper context. I know that Internal Revenue Service or Social
>>>>>>> >> Security like the Department of Defense use the CAP office that
>>>>>>> >> usually recommends Jaws screen reader so logic says to go with
>>>>>>> >> it instead of existing technology.
>>>>>>> >> Maybe I should just focus purely on Jaws from scratch on their
>>>>>>> >> tutorials at a state rehabilitation center or individually, then
>>>>>>> >> focus on existing screen reader Window-Eyes or what would you
>>>>>>> >> recommend in this situation?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>    I know this sounds like I'm over thinking the situation just
>>>>>>> >> that I've been dealing with this for years on this problem. I
>>>>>>> >> swerar one of the things that I hate being blind is that too
>>>>>>> >> much emphasis is on what assistive technology can do not what
>>>>>>> >> can't do. I'd prefer a comprehensive report or tutorial on all
>>>>>>> >> the things sighted individuals can do and what we can't being
>>>>>>> >> blind. Simple as a former sighted person that I'd appreciate
>>>>>>> >> this view much more than this muddy waters approach that just
>>>>>>> >> confuses the daylights out of everything for me.
>>>>>>> >> I
>>>>>>> >> also tire of the Federations dream-like imagination that blind
>>>>>>> >> folks can do everything cause simply this isn't true like in
>>>>>>> >> programming that isn't true anymore than they cannot do anything.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>    Thanks for any and all advice on this subject cause I'm
>>>>>>> >> thoroughly confused on what to do. I tire so much just want to
>>>>>>> >> quit cause of being discouraged on the list in some ways. Your
>>>>>>> >> approaches of encouragement aren't what I'm accustomed to on my
>>>>>>> >> fragile self-esteem cause that is something blind people like me
>>>>>>> >> are in low supply of at the moment. I'm schedule for a three
>>>>>>> >> month job in a few months in town for temporary work experience
>>>>>>> >> so just want a job. I just don't know how best to go about it
>>>>>>> >> that is it. Since how I wasn't born blind that my patience is
>>>>>>> >> much more thinner in this technical jargon or way of thinking
>>>>>>> >> than you are accustomed to being blind your whole life or
>>>>>>> >> whatever. Thank you for understanding how I feel and coming from
>>>>>>> >> my prospective on this subject.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Thank you,
>>>>>>> >> Peter Q wolfe, BA
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>>>>> cum laude Auburn University
>>>>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>>>>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for 
>>>>> anything"
>>>>> Peter Q Wolfe
>>>>> "Stand up for your rights"
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>>> Cordially,
>>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>>> cum laude Auburn University
>>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
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>>> Peter Q Wolfe
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