[Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

Sat Mar 23 22:06:06 UTC 2013

My recollection of the questions you have been asked when suggesting we have
a doctor on the agenda is what you would like that Dr. to say.  Most doctors
I have seen who appear on Federation convention agendas tell us about
macular degeneration, retinopathy of prematurity, and glaucoma.  Now here
you are, and audience filled with people who have these conditions, and the
only thing that is really relevant to us is how to reverse these conditions
or come up with some substitute for vision.  We are not the society fighting
blindness; we are people who, in large part, are blind and are likely to be
so for the rest of our lives.  If I suffer from pneumonia, I am not nearly
as interested in the biology of the disease as I am how to rid myself of it
or keep from getting it again.

The Ronald McDonald House does not look for cures to disease; it's narrowly
focused goal is to help the families of those who are undergoing treatment
by giving those families a place to stay.  This does not mean that
McDonald's is an interested when it comes to the prevention of blindness,
cancer, multiple sclerosis, or a whole host of other problems.  It simply
means that the Ronald McDonald project focuses on one specific area and
tries to make a difference in the lives of the people it has decided to
help. I think this is what we do.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan
Schulz
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:22 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

hi,

not completely, that is the response i have received in general terms when i
have suggested having a doctor or someone with a medical background have
some time on a convention agenda.
Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

> He was being sarcastic.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> christopher
> nusbaum
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:21 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>
> Correct answer? What correct answer? And who determines which answers
> are correct?
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 23, 2013, at 1:57 AM, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> that's not the correct answer.
>> you are supposed to be happy with learning to adapt and not wish to have
> vision restored.
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams"
> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>>
>>
>>> What's wrong with medical research. Hell, at some point, I want to be
> able
>>> to see if possible.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> Wolfe
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:37 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>>>
>>> Bryan,
>>>
>>>
>>>   What is wrong with bringing up medical research? I don't understand 
>>> the
>>> connatation to me that it gives me hope even if I don't see the end
> result
>>> of it. I don't see the controvercies of taboos of anything on online
> forums
>>> and all.
>>>
>>> On 3/22/13, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> oh man, you opened another can of worms there.
>>>> you may have been better off to spew a five minute string of swear
>>>> words instead of mentioning medical research.
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:46 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> David,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   The irony David is thtat I picked poli sci cause of the job
>>>>> security with the federal government for disabled workers. I truly
>>>>> wanted to be a computer scientist but since how that I didn't know
>>>>> nemeth code that I didn't pursue that field. I keep telling myself
>>>>> with the University of Miami NEI research that perhaps within five or
>>>>> more years that my vision could return, then I can pursue a field in
>>>>> the STEM fields. I personally hate the social sciences cause there is
>>>>> no real benchmarks so everyone disagrees on opinions not facts as
>>>>> much. So, I'm stuck with this degree like lots of normal students
>>>>> cause wanting job security not cause that I'd like it. Lastly, I'm
>>>>> not the best communicater just that I have a passion for counseling
>>>>> and for the time being that would be nice to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Anyone have any ideas on a poli sci doing counseling in the
>>>>> government? I'm thinking of financial aid advisor at a college or
>>>>> something. Perhaps I can do this cause the chief financial advisor at
>>>>> my university had a ph.d in historyr and theology degree not finance
>>>>> at all. I really would like to work with a domestic battery shelter,
>>>>> child abuse victims or financial management. I'd appreciate any ideas
>>>>> cause not sure of a general scope of what to do. Thanks for pointing
>>>>> out the obvious cause that is causing barriers in how to think aboutt
>>>>> professional life post-college. By the way, wish that more blind
>>>>> people would do more internships in their sophomore, junior and
>>>>> senior years cause this more than academics helps more than academics
> by
>>> far.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/22/13, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Peter, you need to decide what it is that you want to do, then
>>>>>> figure out how a blind guy can do it.  You are approaching it from
>>>>>> -- what  job can a blind guy do and what jobs do you have from a
>>>>>> blind guy.  If you get something you probably won't be happy because
>>>>>> it wasn't what you want to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 09:12 AM 3/21/2013, you wrote:
>>>>>>> Ray and others,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Thank you for replying to my message on this issue. The problem
>>>>>>> Ray is that I don't have any idea of what I'll be doing with a
>>>>>>> bachelors of arts in political science with the federal government.
>>>>>>> sure I know of what a poli sci professional does just not what I can
>>>>>>> do being blind and all is able to do at work. I've been to the NFB
>>>>>>> subdomains and profesional bios and AFB's Mentor connect and talked
>>>>>>> to political scientists who are blind just not at my level of under
>>>>>>> graduate experience. Some are either devoid of under graduate
>>>>>>> experience with graduate work experience or just of another time or
>>>>>>> place or finally transfered to other skill sets entirely into my
>>>>>>> field. I guess this work experience could shine some light on what I
>>>>>>> could do with my degree just seems kind of bleak at this point. Any
>>>>>>> ideas from you guys would be really cool!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Ray and all,
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>> p.s: I own a I-Phone 4s and might transfer personally to Apple just
>>>>>>> for work its pc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/21/13, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> > You are way over thinking the issue here.  Like Dave and other
>>>>>>> > people have said, you can think it to death and never really find
>>>>>>> > a
>>>>>>> solution.  Here's my
>>>>>>> > advice.  Stop it.  then, ask yourself what you most want or need
>>>>>>> to do.  You
>>>>>>> > will find this narrows it down pretty fast.  Now, once you have
>>>>>>> > that, find out what tools will best meet your needs.  For some,
>>>>>>> > it's windows-for others, like me, it's the Mac.  For still
>>>>>>> > others, neither will
>>>>>>> do.  You will
>>>>>>> > never find fully comprehenceive tutorials for everything all laid
>>>>>>> > out for you in one place.  At least, I don't think so.  Forget
>>>>>>> > being spoon-fed everything.  It ain't gonna happen.  So, take the
>>>>>>> > advice I gave
>>>>>>> you to start
>>>>>>> > with above and see where that takes you.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for
>>>>>>> > the blind built-in!
>>>>>>> > Sincerely,
>>>>>>> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>> > Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Peter Wolfe <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Dear NFB Talk Members,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>    Would I be better off to better familarize myself with my
>>>>>>> >> existing screen reader Window-Eyes or learn what is necessary
>>>>>>> >> for entry level for federal liberal arts career track e.g. Jaws
>>>>>>> >> instead? I'm always puzzling on tutorials of my former screen
>>>>>>> >> reader cause they are partial or completely devoid of adaquate
>>>>>>> >> detail examples to professions with endorsements or whatever for
>>>>>>> >> proper context. I know that Internal Revenue Service or Social
>>>>>>> >> Security like the Department of Defense use the CAP office that
>>>>>>> >> usually recommends Jaws screen reader so logic says to go with
>>>>>>> >> it instead of existing technology.
>>>>>>> >> Maybe I should just focus purely on Jaws from scratch on their
>>>>>>> >> tutorials at a state rehabilitation center or individually, then
>>>>>>> >> focus on existing screen reader Window-Eyes or what would you
>>>>>>> >> recommend in this situation?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>    I know this sounds like I'm over thinking the situation just
>>>>>>> >> that I've been dealing with this for years on this problem. I
>>>>>>> >> swerar one of the things that I hate being blind is that too
>>>>>>> >> much emphasis is on what assistive technology can do not what
>>>>>>> >> can't do. I'd prefer a comprehensive report or tutorial on all
>>>>>>> >> the things sighted individuals can do and what we can't being
>>>>>>> >> blind. Simple as a former sighted person that I'd appreciate
>>>>>>> >> this view much more than this muddy waters approach that just
>>>>>>> >> confuses the daylights out of everything for me.
>>>>>>> >> I
>>>>>>> >> also tire of the Federations dream-like imagination that blind
>>>>>>> >> folks can do everything cause simply this isn't true like in
>>>>>>> >> programming that isn't true anymore than they cannot do anything.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>    Thanks for any and all advice on this subject cause I'm
>>>>>>> >> thoroughly confused on what to do. I tire so much just want to
>>>>>>> >> quit cause of being discouraged on the list in some ways. Your
>>>>>>> >> approaches of encouragement aren't what I'm accustomed to on my
>>>>>>> >> fragile self-esteem cause that is something blind people like me
>>>>>>> >> are in low supply of at the moment. I'm schedule for a three
>>>>>>> >> month job in a few months in town for temporary work experience
>>>>>>> >> so just want a job. I just don't know how best to go about it
>>>>>>> >> that is it. Since how I wasn't born blind that my patience is
>>>>>>> >> much more thinner in this technical jargon or way of thinking
>>>>>>> >> than you are accustomed to being blind your whole life or
>>>>>>> >> whatever. Thank you for understanding how I feel and coming from
>>>>>>> >> my prospective on this subject.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Thank you,
>>>>>>> >> Peter Q wolfe, BA
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>>>>> cum laude Auburn University
>>>>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>>>>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for 
>>>>> anything"
>>>>> Peter Q Wolfe
>>>>> "Stand up for your rights"
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>>> Cordially,
>>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>>> cum laude Auburn University
>>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
>>> Peter Q Wolfe
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