[Blindtlk] matters of belief: was: Re: Getting Lost

justin williams via blindtlk blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Tue May 13 14:10:41 UTC 2014 

Thumbs up to the passion and the nonacceptance of merely existing. 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Foret
Jr via blindtlk
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:46 AM
To: gwunder at earthlink.net; Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] matters of belief: was: Re: Getting Lost

Well, Gary, I understand the point you are trying to make:  and, I would not
venture to argue against it.  I was merely saying that for me, mere
existance as a blind person is not enough for me.  I mean, look at me.
Almost 49-years-old, and what have I got to show for all that training and
hilosophy I received?  What real difference have I made in the world or my
life so far?  What good is all that NFB philosophy if I can't use it to help
make things better either for my family or myself or anybody else?  Fair
questions I think.  And yet, I cannot help but think that eventually, I time
will come.  When that will be, I don't know.  Yes, my time will come to make
a difference before I get called away from this mortal coil.  I cannot
believe that God let me have the training I received at the Louisiana center
for the blind and all that NFB philosophy and belief for nothing but to
exist.  No.  The fact that I am still here means that I am not yet done and
I still have to do that for which I was sent here.


Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On May 13, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Gary Wunder via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello, Ray. My comment is philosophical and has nothing whatsoever to 
> do with blindness.
> 
> You say that mere existence is not enough, and at one level I agree 
> with you. On the other hand, I have known a good number of kind, 
> generous, and thoughtful people who lament the fact that they have 
> made no contribution to the world. What they usually mean by this is 
> that they will not be remembered in the same way that Abraham Lincoln 
> or George Washington will be remembered. If that is really the standard,
most of us will never make it.
> We will be known for a time in the small ponds in which we swam, but 
> how many of us make changes on the world stage that will get our names 
> etched into stones that people see or books that people read?
> 
> I grew up thinking that my life would only have meaning if I could do 
> something heroic like John Wayne did in all of his movies. The heroic 
> event has yet to come along, but I wonder if the magic of making a 
> difference really is in getting up every day, doing the good that you 
> can for other people, and bringing to the world what it is that God 
> has given you to bring. One of those good and kind people who has 
> spent considerable time wondering about the purpose of his life is my 
> best friend. Is this meaningful, and, if I am someone's best friend, is
this also meaningful?
> you know, I do not throw this out to be argumentative. I would just 
> like others to think with me about what it means to have had a 
> meaningful life and may be to extend the discussion beyond the 
> perceptions that people have about blindness.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray 
> Foret Jr
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 9:00 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: [Blindtlk] matters of belief: was: Re: Getting Lost
> 
> Well, being catholic myself, my faith informs me that God has a 
> purpose for both blind and sighted folks.  I do not believe that mere 
> existance is enough of a life purpose for us.  I once complained to a 
> priest that I had felt that I had not yet fulfilled my purpose in life 
> and had yet to do anything which really made a difference.  Father 
> said in reply to me, "Well, you show up every weekend and that's an
inspiration to us all.".
> 
> 	Y'all, I'm sorry, but, for me, that's just not enough and certainly 
> not what I was looking for.  My belief is that my time will eventially
come:
> and, when it does, God help anybody in my way.
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
> blind built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On May 2, 2014, at 8:43 AM, cheryl echevarria 
> <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Well when I get members of religious organizations that come to my 
>> home on
> a daily bases, and no offense to our Brothers and Sisters that are 
> reading this , and I don't shut my door on anyone who is offering me a 
> kindly gesture or wants to talk about religion.
>> When they find out I am blind, they take me by the hand, and say you 
>> poor
> thing, you must pray to god and be a faithful person, and god will 
> restore your sight, don't you know the story of how "Jesus can make 
> the blind see again". I in turn thank them, and I say I am a faithful
person.
>> But, I also say that means also that Jesus makes the blind see, by 
>> opening
> the eyes of the sighted to the faith as well.  Blind people are very 
> faithful depending on their religious background I am Jewish, and my 
> husband is Catholic.
>> 
>> 
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>>> From: blind411 at verizon.net
>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 09:26:54 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Getting Lost
>>> 
>>> Arielle,
>>> 	Whenever someone offers to pray for me because I am blind, I
> generally offer to pray for them because they are ignorant. I know 
> that this might offend them; however, their ignorance is just as
offensive!
>>> 
>>> Marion
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Arielle Silverman
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 9:02 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Getting Lost
>>> 
>>> When I was in college, I was studying outside when a random guy came 
>>> up
> and asked directions to another building. My cane was on the ground, 
> and he didn't realize I was blind until I was midway giving 
> directions. Then he suddenly started offering me money and healing 
> prayers, and it took me a while to get rid of him. I realized later 
> that I should have asked him to pray for a good grade on my test 
> instead of healing, but I digress. Anyway I'm not sure if he found the 
> building he was looking for. It's a shame people would dismiss good, 
> clear directions just because they come from a blind person.
>>> 
>>> Arielle
>>> 
>>> On 5/1/14, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7706 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Quite funny.  Reminds me of a story that Carle Jacobson told of a 
>>>> waitress who told him that she was going to put the water in the 
>>>> smaller glass and the seven-up in the larger so he could tell the
>>>> difference:  but, ironically, it was she who could not tell in 
>>>> which glass the water was and in which the drink was.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>> blind built-in!
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5
user!
>>>> 
>>>> On May 1, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>> 	I perform a song called, "I'm Not Lost; I am Exploring". I 
>>>>> generally introduce the song by sharing a story told once by Dr.
>>>>> Abraham Nemeth while he was waiting for a bus in a crowded city. 
>>>>> Two
> guys approached Dr.
>>>>> Nemeth and asked for directions. They were given very precise 
>>>>> turn-by-turn directions to their destination. As they turned to 
>>>>> walk away, one guy said to the other, "We might want to ask 
>>>>> someone
> else; that guy's blind!" Dr.
>>>>> Nemeth replied, "Yes! I am blind; but I'm not the one who is lost!"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> directions
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Julie J
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 3:18 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Guide Dogs
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, absolutely!  Sighted folks get lost too.  Coincidentally I 
>>>>> just gave directions to a sighted lady trying to find my office
> building.
>>>>> She was close enough, I'd think she could see it from where she 
>>>>> was, but I was able to get her here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Getting lost is no big thing.  The important part is having the 
>>>>> skills and state of mind to get yourself unlost.  I've been lost 
>>>>> my fair share and it's no fun, but it isn't the end of the world
wither.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And you can still get lost with a dog.  I've done that too.    For
some
>>>>> odd reason sighted people think the dog knows where to go and you 
>>>>> have a poorly trained dog if you get lost.  Not true, the dog just 
>>>>> follows directions.  If I tell him to go the wrong way, he's going 
>>>>> to
> do it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 1, 2014, at 1:52 PM, "Mark Tardif" 
>>>>>> <markspark at roadrunner.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anybody can get lost, even if you have excellent mobility.  I can 
>>>>>> tell you about some of my getting lost experiences, and I think I 
>>>>>> have excellent mobility skills.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Olivares
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 1:25 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Guide Dogs
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm wondering who on this list has guide dogs? I'm currently 
>>>>>> applying for one through Guide Dogs for the Blind, and am curious 
>>>>>> how difficult it is generally to get into one of these schools.
>>>>>> How good does your mobility need to be? I have always been told I 
>>>>>> have good mobility, but today I got lost coming home from 
>>>>>> somewhere
> and it discouraged me a bit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also which do you think is the best school? I've heard a lot of 
>>>>>> good things about Guide Dogs for the Blind so decided to apply there.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Brandon
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