[Blindtlk] Uncollated and Unbound Braille Material

Mark Tardif markspark at roadrunner.com
Sun Dec 11 12:28:10 UTC 2016 

Right Aid offers it too.  I think I am the first blind customer to use it in 
our local store, and I absolutely love it!



Mark Tardif
Nuclear arms will not hold you.
-----Original Message----- 
From: Ericka via blindtlk
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 11:46 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Cc: Ericka
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Uncollated and Unbound Braille Material

Get script talk and you won't have trouble. CVS offers it.  My Wal-mart was 
willing to learn how to produce the special labels for myself and boyfriend. 
We are the only blind customers so it was a whole new system but they were 
willing. Our Madison Walmart is the only pharmacy besides CVS to offer it.

Ericka Short
1750 Fordem Ave. #508
Madison. WI. 53704
608-665-3170

from my iPhone 6s

> On Dec 10, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Mary Donahue via blindtlk 
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>    I am only going to respond once, and will do the same to NAPUB. Some
> of that information was safety information, and blind customers need to 
> read
> that information in its proper order and get to the information fast.
>
>    Second, I work for a braille production facility, and anything
> uncollated and bound is substandard with us. If I was responsible for 
> hiring
> someone who did not collate and bind material, they would be out the door
> fast! I will separate and staple or bind the pages this time only. After
> this, if I receive anything that is not punched and bound, I will continue
> to demand high production standards and insist that other people do the
> same!
>
> Mary Donahue
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> Donahue via blindtlk
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 10:20 AM
> To: steve.jacobson at visi.com; Blind Talk Mailing List
> Cc: Peter Donahue
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Uncollated and Unbound Braille Material
>
> Hello Steve and everyone,
>
>     As previously mentioned we've been to national conventions and have
> been given Braille material that first needed to be put in order before it
> could be read. It's still the NFB's responsibility to be an example of how
> Braille should be presented to the blind. The Education Service Center, 
> the
> Via Metropolitan Transit Authority, and the San Antonio Lighthouse for the
> Blind deliver Braille publications colated, bound, and ready to read.
> Nothing less will do! All the best.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
>
>
> Steve Jacobson via blindtlk wrote:
>> Peter,
>>
>> While I tend to agree with Brian and Mike, I would like to propose
>> some thoughts on this and see what your reaction is.  Your statement
>> that sighted people wouldn't accept documents that are not collated
>> really doesn't apply to this directly.  For example, the information I
>> have seen that accompanies a prescription in print is not colated at
>> all.  In fact, how it is printed is not all that consistent.  We
>> routinely receive information in the mail that consists of multiple
>> sheets of information, sometimes folded together, but not bound.
>> Printed prescription information is sometimes on the label attached to
>> the bottle and sometimes also on a sheet from which the bottle label
>> was printed.  Such documents are printed and mailed quickly along with 
>> the
> order.  They often are not even stapled in my experience.
>>
>> As you know, one of the issues we have is that braille takes up more
>> space and is printed on heavier paper.  This can mean that what we
>> receive in braille may well be more of a document than text printed on
>> a couple of unbound print pages.  This means that the people making
>> these decisions are not even going to think in terms of binding
>> documents since it is not at all a consideration for their print
>> documents.  Further, those producing braille are likely going to have
>> a flat charge for binding that is based more on the number of volumes
>> rather than the number of pages.  Therefore, binding a small document
>> as are prescription warnings, is going to add significantly to the cost 
>> of
> brailling each document.
>>
>> Therefore, it seems to me that we have to be careful about drawing the
>> parallels you draw between collating print and braille documents and
>> give some consideration if it is worth the increased cost of making
>> braille available in all cases.  With all of the issues that face us,
>> I just can't see mounting a national campaign, especially when you
>> will probably read the document once and throw it away.  We just have
>> to think these things through.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>  I
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
>> Donahue via blindtlk
>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 10:32 PM
>> To: 'National Association to Promote the Use of Braille Mailing List'
>> <napub at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Uncollated and Unbound Braille Material
>>
>> Good evening everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>>                 This afternoon, in addition to receiving two
>> prescription medicines from CVS/Caremark Mail Order Service, I also
>> received some braille documentation describing the dangers and the
>> side effects of the two medicines. While I appreciated CVS/Caremark
>> including the subscription information in braille, the pages were
>> unbound and uncollated. Would we stand for that if we were sighted?
> Absolutely not!
>>
>>
>>
>>                 Needless to say, I called CVS/Caremark Customer Service.
>> There was not much the representative could do, so she transferred me
>> to one of her managers named Orion. Orion sent an email directly to
>> the pharmacy since the pharmacy was responsible for packing and
>> shipping the medicines to me.
>>
>>
>>
>>                 We have received such unbound and uncollated
>> documentation from our local transit service, and for the past year,
>> any documentation we receive has been collated and bound properly. In
>> addition, when the Texas Division of Blind Services was the Texas
>> Commission for the Blind, I received an unbound, uncollated document.
>> Even NFB has given out uncollated, unbound documentation at national
> conventions.
>>
>>
>>
>>                 I strongly urge that if any of you use CVS/Caremark
>> as your subscription drug provider, or if you receive braille
>> documentation from any other groups, please call and/or send them a
>> letter or email. We do not need to tolerate unbound, uncollated pages.
>> I know if I transcribed and proofread such documentation, I would make
>> sure the pages were collagted and bound before shipping.
>>
>>
>>
>>                 At any rate, those are my two cents on this matter.
>> Here's hoping you enjoy the rest of your weekend!
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary Donahue
>>
>>
>>
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