[Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane
Ericka
dotwriter1 at gmail.com
Wed Sep 7 19:30:28 UTC 2016
Yes people isn't true. Why are you discussing something over 20 yrs old? If it happened not far from the center & they offered help but wouldn't take center/nfb help there's nothing that could be done. You have recent examples that had same outcome? A few years ago in Milwaukee a friend of mine was nearly killed. I don't know specifics. Cheryl-if you or Bill are on can you speak to negligence of a blind person in a traffic accident?
Ericka Short
1750 Fordem Ave. #508
Madison. WI. 53704
608-665-3170
from my iPhone 6s
> On Sep 2, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Bryan Schulz via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm not going to site situation a versus situation b and even forget what
> the original message was now.
> I will say that what I hoped for and thought the nfb could accomplish are a
> good 180 degrees apart from about 20 years ago and will say not much has
> changed at all personally due to the nfb.
> Sorry that I have disagreed with specific projects over the years and
> learned the hard way that basically only yes men are welcomed.
> Bryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NAGDU
> President via blindtlk
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 9:37 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Cc: NAGDU President
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane
>
> Bryan,
>
> I like how you use the NFB lists to criticize the organization
> sponsoring it. I also like how you point out what the NFB has not done but
> fail to recognize how much better your life is than those of past
> generations due to the fact that the NFB exists.
>
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Schulz via blindtlk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:02 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Cc: Bryan Schulz
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane
>
> Hi,
>
> Tell me how great the nfb is when they can't stop the law from saying one
> third of the blame for an accident was the fault of the blind person just
> being there?
> The nfb didn't go to court for that case!
> Bryan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly
> Mihalakis via blindtlk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:45 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List; Blind Talk Mailing List
> Cc: Carly Mihalakis
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane
>
> Every day is white cane day!At 05:29 PM 10/2/2015, Ericka via blindtlk
> wrote:
>> Hi Bob and all
>>
>> I love your idea of getting the DMV, police etc. involved. I just spoke
>> to the aging and disability resource center today to inquire whether
>> they were doing anything community education about White cane day
>> coming up. When the lady at the desk gave me the Hem and haw over
>> answering my question I figured the answer was no. She did give me the
>> name of someone who does a lot of the community events.
>> I love the notice for this Paula person and she did call me right back
>> this afternoon. Unfortunately I was already at my next stop, the
>> grocery store and missed the call. So we'll see how things go on
>> Monday. We are having a fun and fit fair for people with disabilities
>> coming up. Maybe this can be incorporated somehow although it's last
>> minute. After all, walking in your community is not just independence
>> and getting your mines done; it's also keeping yourself healthy and fit
>> too. Many times doctors tell you to walk to lose weight etc. We can
>> still hear the birds and the rustle of trees so there's benefit and it
>> relates.
>>
>> Ericka Short
>> "Friends are like flowers in the garden of life"
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Bob Hachey via blindtlk
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> I hear you loud and clear. Seems that driving in America is the
>>> fourth inalienable right, up there with life, liberty and the
>>> pursuit of
>> happiness.
>>> While it is we the pedestrians who have been given this right by law
>>> in theory, in practice, the rights seem to go to the driver, no
>>> matter how careless or thoughtless that driver may be.
>>> Perhaps instead of raising a cane to call attention to ourselves
>> we ought to
>>> raise Cain, (note spelling)
>>> And, I'm not joking.
>>> I love the idea of White cane day which is coming soon. But I wish
>>> we
> could
>>> be more successful at getting not just the usual folks from the
> Commission
>>> for the Blind involved, but the registry of motor vehicles, local
> police,
>>> etc.
>>> Bob Hachey
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Mark Tardif
>>> via blindtlk
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 9:28 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Cc: Mark Tardif
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Raising a Cane
>>>
>>> There is something about some people who, when they get behind the
> wheel,
>>> turn into creatures you and I wouldn't recognize. Joking, but just
> barely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Tardif
>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Freeman via blindtlk
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 6:52 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Cc: Mike Freeman
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Raising a Cane
>>>
>>> Arrielle:
>>>
>>> I don't worry much about getting cars to conform to a certain
>>> behavior pattern because (and I'm joking here but not altogether) I
>> consider the very
>>> act of getting behind the wheel tantamount to lowering one's IQ by
>>> fifty percent. Put less acidly, I figure I have little-to-no control
>>> over what cars do so I try to read their behavior as best I can and
>>> feel that the position my cane is in (other than aggressively
>>> sticking it out right as
> I
>>> start to cross) will have little influence on driver behavior.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Arielle Silverman via blindtlk
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 2:04 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Cc: Arielle Silverman
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Raising a Cane
>>>
>>> Christine does use a cane, the issue is being told to hold the
>> cane up while
>>> waiting to cross the street, as a signal, then putting it down and
> crossing
>>> with it. As to Mike's comment, How do sighted pedestrians signal
>>> that
> they
>>> are crossing, without a cane or a turn signal? I assume they use
>>> some
> form
>>> of body language. I consider extending my cane slightly in front
>> of me to be
>>> an appropriate form of body language. Like Christine I don't see the
>>> additional value of raising my cane up off the ground. Further, I
>> agree with
>>> what I think she was saying, which is that we want cars to drive
> normally
>>> rather than stopping in the intersection or doing other weird
>> things because
>>> we are blind. If they depart from normal car behavior, they give us
>>> confusing information about whether or not it is safe to cross.
>> Of course if
>>> I am in the middle of crossing I want cars to stop. That goes for
>>> any pedestrian, blind or sighted.
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>>> On 9/27/15, River Linda via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying you can see well enough to cross the street without
>>>> using a cane? Or, you just do not want to use it because you are
>>>> embarrassed to use it and you do not want the attention from people?
>>>> The cane is for your safety. As you have described holding your
>>>> cane vertically off the ground in front of you, the cars coming
>>>> from behind you will not see your cane. I was taught to keep the
>>>> cane tip on the ground and hold it out diagonally from you so that
>>>> cars coming from all
>>> four directions can see it.
>>>>
>>>> As for people grabbing you, you have to tell them how you want to
>>>> be treated. When people grab me, I tell them to wait and let me
>>>> show you how to help me. When people make that comment about me
>>>> being amazing because I can cut my food and eat it, I simply respond
> with "you, too".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, September 26, 2015, Szostak, Christine via blindtlk <
>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> Ok, this might be a very odd question, but I was just thinking
>>>>> about this and to me, it seems really illogical.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I was getting O&M to help with transitioning to a cane,
>>>>> every time we stopped at a curb to cross a street, the instructor
>>>>> would have me hold the cane directly in front of me and hold it up
>>>>> in the air vertically about
>>>>> 2-3 or so inches off the ground. The explanation given to me for
>>>>> this was so that others would see that I am blind and am using a cane.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reasons that this seems a bit odd to me as a good practice are:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) I do not want a car to stop at a stop sign and wait for me to
>>>>> cross as I have always been taught not to trust in drivers that
>>>>> say, go ahead I will wait because they may not see other cars
>>>>> coming that could hit me if I follow their advice. Also, just
>>>>> because they stop, it does not mean that they see you so the
>>>>> signal you are assuming they are giving you, may not be the case.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) I do not necessarily want to bring attention to my blindness.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) I tend to look younger than I am and thus people, to my
>>>>> consternation, always try to grab my arm... to help me. When I
>>>>> was in training for one of my prior guides, my instructor always
>>>>> joked that I was a really touchable person because total strangers
>>>>> would try to drag me across the street since they just assumed
>>>>> that I did not know how to cross a street with a light:). This
>>>>> happens to me, regardless of whether it is with traffic or even in
>>>>> places like restaurants, total strangers will frequently grab my
>>>>> arm, put their arms around my shoulders... and tell me how amazing
>>>>> I am to be eating so well:). Since I really do not want this type
>>>>> of attention, I tend not to want to use methods that are likely
>>>>> to induce it:). Since I could see holding a cane in the air as one
>>>>> good way to get this type of attention, I am not overly eager to keep
> up this practice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus, do others here hold up their canes while standing on curbs
>>>>> and if so, what has been your experience with respect to the above
>>>>> issues? I really, personally do not like this practice as it would
>>>>> seem to me that if you are a competent traveler who follows the
>>>>> rules of the pedestrian and knows what you are doing, then you
>>>>> should not need to do this as it simply tells someone, this person
>>>>> is blind so stop and wait for them as they will not be a safe
>>>>> traveler or is trying to signal that they need your help.
>>>>> Perhaps I am completely misunderstanding the point of doing this
>>>>> but I just really feel like this is an out-of-date practice, one
>>>>> that tries to heavily point out blindness which would seem to lead
>>>>> to increasing the stigma rather than showing that we are competent
>>>>> individuals, and something that could actually be dangerous rather
>>>>> than helpful to a cane traveler.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can understand this type of practice if you want for some
>>>>> reason to indicate that you are blind or have a VI (i.e., when
>>>>> you are concerned that you may trip... and do not want individuals
>>>>> to just think that you are
>>>>> clumsy...) so please know that I am not trying to discount these
>>>>> types of situations rather it is just on the curb side if you are
>>>>> just trying to cross the street and have any of the above three
>>>>> reasons for not wanting to do so that I am asking about and
>>>>> feeling
> this
>>> way about.
>>>>> Happy weekend all!
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Christine M. Szostak
>>>>> Assistant Professor of Psychology
>>>>> Department of Social Sciences
>>>>> Shorter University
>>>>> Rome, Georgia
>>>>> szostak.1 at osu.edu <javascript:;><mailto:szostak.1 at osu.edu>>>
>> <javascript:;>> cszostak at shorter.edu <javascript:;>
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