[BlindTlk] Unbelievable

Mon Dec 10 19:49:29 UTC 2018

Hi Laz, Danielle, David and all,

I believe a few people were trying to make points here. I can tell that none of them are being well-received, and I’m not one to continue with disappointingly fruitless endeavors. It seems like Danielle was trying to be nonconfrontational and I know I was as well, but we’re being met with continued efforts at arguing. I would now urge everyone to drop this thread to promote general peace and well-being. I would also urge the moderators to please discontinue this thread if it should continue. Thank you!

Best,
Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
Stanford University | Class of 2021
Secretary| California Association of Blind Students 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2018, at 11:33, Laz <laz at talkingmp3players.com> wrote:
> 
> Please don't misquote me. What I'm unsure of is what their beef with me is.
> 
> My rhetoric had nothing to do with their malicious actions against me.
> More likely than not something I said came close to the truth but i'm
> clueless as to their beef with me so I can't and neither can you,
> attribute their malicious activity to anything in particular I may
> have said. Hence the reason I used the word imagined.
> 
> I think it's funny that like when one reports a crime to the police it
> turns out that one is the one getting investigated, while the
> perpetrator gets away.
> 
> Thus far no one has stepped up to chide the perpetrator but instead I
> am the one being chided.
> 
> On 12/10/18, Cricket Bidleman <cricketbidleman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> As you yourself said, you have no idea what their specific intention was.
>> While I agree that repeated password change requests are likely unfriendly
>> in nature, after reading some of the rhetoric you use, I’m not surprised
>> about the removal requests. While I don’t think that was the right course of
>> action for them to take, it is no more right for you to insult them and call
>> them out publicly, while using threatening language. An old saying is “you
>> can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar”. If honey and vinegar are
>> symbolic of types of verbiage, I’d urge you to chew on that saying for a
>> bit. I’ll also add that if you’re concerned about removal requests etc. the
>> most professional thing to do would be to contact the list moderator to
>> address your concern. Though the removal requests were unprofessional in
>> nature, calling them out was equally inappropriate. One misconduct does not
>> excuse another. Thank you!
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
>> Stanford University | Class of 2021
>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 10:22, Laz <laz at talkingmp3players.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I suppose pretending to be me and requesting to be removed from the
>>> list twice and then continuing to pretend to be me and trying to get
>>> the server to provide my password three times is a friendly gesture...
>>> Let's keep in mind that apparently someone was attemting to do these
>>> things over and over to maliciously either remove me from the list or
>>> to try to get my password in order to do who knows what. I have no
>>> idea what the person doing this imagines I did to them but he or she
>>> who did these things is not the victim in any way, shape, or form.
>>> 
>>> To put it simply how would you like to have someone pretend to be you
>>> and attempt several times to either remove you from a list or access
>>> your password?
>>> 
>>>> On 12/10/18, Cricket X. Bidleman <cricketbidleman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Laz, David, and all,
>>>> 
>>>> Please forgive me for inserting my opinion here--I recognize that it
>>>> might be overstepping boundaries, but as a perpetual student I'm
>>>> always trying to learn from my own mistakes and those of others. I do
>>>> believe that, unless something has changed since last I checked,
>>>> calling someone "numb-minded" and "cowardly" is both highly insulting
>>>> and extremely unprofessional. And trust me, I know all about being
>>>> unprofessional--I'm a college student after all. :) Furthermore, and
>>>> I'm surprised this wasn't slightly more obvious, there is most
>>>> certainly a threat in the sentence "I don't think you'd like it if I
>>>> found out who you are." Now we could argue semantics all day about the
>>>> intent behind that sentence etc. etc. but whether you like it or not,
>>>> there was at the very least an implied threat there. As someone who is
>>>> aspiring to pursue something related to communications and/or
>>>> journalism, I am always considering the implied meaning of my words as
>>>> well as the obvious ones. I suggest you do the same. This is a public
>>>> listserv, one that people from the public may be able to see the
>>>> messages from. The mission of the NFB is to ensure that blind people
>>>> are given fair treatment and that we are perceived as equal to our
>>>> sighted counterparts. Messages like that certainly seem to further the
>>>> perception that blind people are unaware of social skills. And as with
>>>> all communications of any form of social media, and I use the term
>>>> lightly, various studies have found that one's imagined audience is at
>>>> least four or five times smaller than one's real audience. So even
>>>> though that was addressed to a listserv, it's almost definite that
>>>> others have seen it or will see it. Furthermore, using threatening
>>>> and/or unprofessionally insulting language on a listserv will, in my
>>>> opinion, only increase the likelihood that removal requests be made,
>>>> since such conduct is, quite frankly, thoroughly inappropriate. Please
>>>> keep that in mind. Thank you!
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
>>>> Stanford University | Class of 2021
>>>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students (CABS)
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/10/18, Laz via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> David, Really? Two removal requests and three password reminders in
>>>>> the space of less than one hour? That definitely points to someone
>>>>> doing something on purpose and not by accident.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There was no threat in my message just pointing out that their IP
>>>>> address is included in the removal requests and could be traced to
>>>>> them. Perhaps if I passed the IP address on to the list owner they
>>>>> could do something about this supposed accidental activity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Laz
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/9/18, David Andrews via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Laz
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Someone may be doing this to you -- or it could be an accident,
>>>>>> hitting the wrong link.  Either way, threats are not appropriate!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David Andrews, Moderator and List Owner
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At 07:23 PM 12/9/2018, you wrote:
>>>>>>> Could the numb-minded person who has been unsuccessfully trying to
>>>>>>> unsubscribe me from this mailing list knock it off. Realize that your
>>>>>>> IP address is in the verification messages I get every time you do
>>>>>>> that and I could always trace it back to you. I don't think you'd
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> it if I found out who you are...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you have a bone to pick with me then do it to my face not in some
>>>>>>> cowardly way.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Laz
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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