[blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

trishs slosser at metrocast.net
Sun Nov 2 16:17:09 UTC 2008 

I completely agree that respect is earned, however, you won't get 
it if you're not taught how to give it, and how to expect it for 
yourself.
I don't know what America btw refers to, could you clarify, 
please.
 I've heard the name United States of America before, but I 
really didn't have great access to geographic models in school, 
so, you're right, I don't know much.  I'm a teacher of my 
children, and not geography, I leave that to the school.
 As to studying this culture exclusively, what I said was if I 
was in another country I would be expected to observe their ways.  
Personally, I'd learn language basics, and customs, I think it's 
presumptuous and inconsiderate, not to mention rude not to.
Can you show me a better culture?  I'm very proud of mine, sorry 
you're not, that's your loss.  I never said any culture was 
beneath mine, but I'll defend mine, flaws and all at the risk of 
being a hyppocrate.
Aditudes like mine and yours are part of what makes this world go 
round.  It's perfectly healthy to disagree, respectfully, if you 
please, and thank you.
I am American, and proud of it, and who I am, is a relatively 
short lifetime of experiences, seen, heard, and tried.  Believe 
it or not I am open minded, that's how I learn.
You can take your football and go home if you want, I'll be here, 
defending my beliefs, and teaching others that it really isn't so 
bad, in comparison.
I receive complements on my children's behavior and that 
reinforces the good parenting job I'm doing.  It ain't broken.
Regarding this thread,  and your point that it has nothing to do 
with parenting, I strongly disagree.  Our political beliefs are 
what shape us as parents, blind, sighted, fill in the blank.  I 
say we change the thread subject to Political issues, that way we 
can discuss school and culture, which is in our faces, and making 
it increasingly difficult to raise our children accordingly.  So 
go tell on me, Tammy, because you can't have it your way, but I 
say stay, and defend yourself.  I can't hurt you, what are you 
afraid of?  Why are you so angry with me?


> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:35:29 -0400
>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>Hi,
>I don't live in America, as you call it?  It's not America btw, 
it's The
>united States of America,  it's part of North America.  You said 
you were a
>teacher, obviously not a teacher of geography.  and why exactly  
should
>people study your culture exclusively?  It's obviously not the 
best culture
>if I'm reading your message right and you think all other 
cultures are
>beneath yours.  I'm sorry list but I'm sick of attitudes like 
this one!
>Thinking she's better then everybody else because she's a 
teacher, or
>because she's quote American, or because she's fill in the blank.  
In my
>world respect is earned, and you won't get it if you don't earn 
it first.
>This is supposed to be a parenting list, but since Trishs has 
joined I'm
>getting nothing but attitude and snotty little I'm better then 
everybody
>else comments from her, and I'm really getting sick of it.  I 
should
>probably take it up with the moderators, but whenever I do that 
they either
>tell me it's my fault or just ignore the problem completely.  Do 
you think
>please that we could stop this thread and get back to talking 
about
>something useful?  If it had been me who started this thread The 
moderators
>would have shut me down after my first or second post on the 
subject,
>whether I was disaggreeing, agreeing with somebody or just 
stating a fact.
>But since it wasn't me they choose to let it go on for days and 
days and do
>nothing even though it has nothing to do with blind parenting or 
even
>parenting in general.  You watch, I'll probably even get kicked 
off the list
>for this post, even though I can think of much worse messages 
that have been
>sent by other people and nothing has been done about them.

>I guess, we'll see!

>Tammy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:09 PM
>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!


>>I suppose that "respect" isn't quite universal.  I feel that 
others should
>>study our culture as aposed to your suggestion, this Is America!

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>Date sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:05:00 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>Hi,
>>>Well you know what I think of when I hear the word assume?  You
>> may want to
>>>study the cultures in question before you make such assumptions,
>> because
>>>manners vary greatly from culture to culture.  Some languages
>> don't even
>>>have a wordl for please or thank you.  It doesn't mean they're
>> being rude,
>>>it's just not a word they need.

>>>Tammy
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:28 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!


>>>> Violent scenarios aside, manners are manners.  I assume we all
>> know what
>>>> to teach, and regardless of personality, affluence, culture,
>> traumatic
>>>> experiences, we need to be tought, and we need to learn how to
>> teach them
>>>> to our future leaders.  It's our responsibility as parents to do
>> so, or
>>>> others will.

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:34:56 -0400
>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>That's all well and good but what's right to one parent may not
>>>> be right to
>>>>>another, and what gives us the right to judge either parent?

>>>>>tammy
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!


>>>>>> Okay, I'd like to sit those parents in a time-out until they can
>>>> make
>>>>>> right choices about raising polite children.
>>>>>> Barbara


>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>>>> I still say the use of violent metaphors is a problem given the
>>>> subject
>>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>> We want to teach respect, but we use words that imply that it is
>>>> okay to
>>>>>>> hurt another human being.
>>>>>>> Any wonder why kids aren't "getting it?"


>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:05 PM
>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>>>> I have to agree.  I see parents in public all the time that I
>>>> just want
>>>>>>> to smack, but unless their child is doing something that impacts
>>>> me, my
>>>>>>> baby, or my dog, I just bite my tongue.  I will say something in
>>>> the
>>>>>>> above instances, though.  Like when kids are barking at my dog,
>>>> chasing
>>>>>>> my dog, trying to hit my dog with toys, etc.  I'll do the same
>>>> if
>>>>>>> anyone's kid is bugging Elise in similar ways.
>>>>>>> Dena


>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!


>>>>>>>>I agree with you on one point.  If a child is being disruptive at
>>>> an
>>>>>>> event
>>>>>>>>the parents should try and keep them quiet.  On the other points
>>>> I
>>>>>>> totally
>>>>>>>>have to disagree with you on.  If a parent allows there children
>>>> to run
>>>>>>>>threw a store witch by the way is a huge peeve of mine, then that
>>>> is
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>rite and who is it for us to tell them to control there children.
>>>> We
>>>>>>> gripe
>>>>>>>>as blind parents because people are always trying to tell us how
>>>> do do
>>>>>>>>things, thinking we cant parent, and so on, but then we will turn
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>and boss parents around thus doing the same thing that we look
>>>> down on
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>it is done to us.  How would you feel if you had your child on a
>>>> leash
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>order to give him freedom but also keeping him safe as a blind
>>>> parent
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>someone came up to you telling you to get your child off a leash
>>>> that
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>was not a dog?  I realize that the situations are not exactly
>>>> alike,
>>>>>>> but in
>>>>>>>>principle one parent telling another how to raise there kids is
>>>> exactly

>>>>>>>>alike.  I personally can not stand parents allowing kids to run
>>>> in
>>>>>>> stores,
>>>>>>>>scream out of control in restaurants, but It is not my place to
>>>> tell
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>how to raise there kids.  And besides do we think that by us
>>>> telling
>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>>make there kids stop running around that from now on they will be
>>>> good
>>>>>>>>parents and follow our lead? I think not.
>>>>>>>> JOB Sorry if this sounds harsh, its not meant to be so, but its
>>>> a
>>>>>>> peeve of
>>>>>>>> mine to have people tell me what to do.  LOL
>>>>>>>> Amber
>>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>  From: trishs
>>>>>>>>  To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>>  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!


>>>>>>>>  Last year at my girl's Christmas concert I sat across the table
>>>>>>>>  from a young woman and man with a little boy two-years-old.
>>>>>>>>  Micro man wasn't willing to sit quietly, super-parents weren't
>>>>>>>>  willing to take him to the provided quiet room, and Trish
>>>> almost
>>>>>>>>  got herself beat up because I couldn't keep my mouth shut.  I
>>>>>>>>  complained to them about their noise and I was told "maybe you
>>>>>>>>  should mind your own business, this is a family concert."  I
>>>> said
>>>>>>>>  I was aware of that, but I couldn't hear my family.  "Your
>>>> little
>>>>>>>>  man may be the center of your universe, but he is not the
>>>> center
>>>>>>>>  of mine, and he's disruptive, and you're inconsiderate."  They
>>>>>>>>  went into the office and complained about me.  Nothing
>>>> happened,
>>>>>>>>  but my mom couldn't get me out of there fast enough.
>>>>>>>>  Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but, if you're in
>>>>>>>>  public, the grocery store, restaurant, school event, every
>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>  you do there is public.  If I find your children running around
>>>>>>>>  in the store I'm going to say something to you.
>>>>>>>>  It's not as though I'm barging into your living room telling
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>  how to raise your family.

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