[blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
Tammy, Paul and Colyn
tcl189 at rogers.com
Sun Nov 2 22:24:43 UTC 2008
Hi,
I'm not afraid or angry with you, I just think your attitude is generally
hypocritical and presumptuous, and open-minded would not be a word I'd use
to describe you, or at least not from the posts I've seen. I don't know you
personally so I can't say for sure that you're like this in real life, and
I'd be the first one to apologize to you if I found you to be pleasant and
open minded if I met you in person. Take my football and go home? That's
um, strange! What does that mean exactly? While we're on the subject of
what does that mean, America is what some uninformed people including your
current president call your country, and btw is by the way, and the two are
not related. Sorry if I confused you by using the two together. I'm sorry
to if I got you mixed up with someone else on this list. I thought you said
you were or had been a teacher in some school system or other. Apparently
not! But saying your a teacher of your children but not a teacher of
geography is a bit of an oxymoron, don't you think? If you're a parent
you're a teacher of all things. I hope you aren't teaching your kids that
your culture is better then all other cultures, because that just goes to
proving my point that your attitude isn't nearly as open minded as you claim
it to be. I would never teach my kids that my culture is the best culture,
it's just my culture and there are lots of other cultures out there to be
learned about and explored. Lastly, you get complements on your kids
behaviour because you're blind, and for no other reason. I too get
complements on my kid's behaviour and they're usually from people who are
amazed that I can even get up in the morning never mind that I have kids.
Sighted people are funny like that. They don't like to tell us when they
see our kids doing something bad or wrong. Sometimes I pick them up for it,
and sometimes not depending on the circumstances. And I'm willing to bet
your kids aren't half as good as they seem to you. I know mine aren't.
Sometimes they try to get things over on me, and sometimes it works, and
sometimes it doesn't. Now I am going to go and eat something because I'm
starving. If you have anything else to add to this discussion, please feel
free to email me at
tcl189 at rogers.com
I will be happy to correspond with you privately. I'm sure people don't
want to read anymore on this subject considering the disappointment some
listers have been experiencing due to the lack of parenting posts lately.
Tammy
----- Original Message -----
From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>I completely agree that respect is earned, however, you won't get it if
>you're not taught how to give it, and how to expect it for yourself.
> I don't know what America btw refers to, could you clarify, please.
> I've heard the name United States of America before, but I really didn't
> have great access to geographic models in school, so, you're right, I
> don't know much. I'm a teacher of my children, and not geography, I leave
> that to the school.
> As to studying this culture exclusively, what I said was if I was in
> another country I would be expected to observe their ways. Personally,
> I'd learn language basics, and customs, I think it's presumptuous and
> inconsiderate, not to mention rude not to.
> Can you show me a better culture? I'm very proud of mine, sorry you're
> not, that's your loss. I never said any culture was beneath mine, but
> I'll defend mine, flaws and all at the risk of being a hyppocrate.
> Aditudes like mine and yours are part of what makes this world go round.
> It's perfectly healthy to disagree, respectfully, if you please, and thank
> you.
> I am American, and proud of it, and who I am, is a relatively short
> lifetime of experiences, seen, heard, and tried. Believe it or not I am
> open minded, that's how I learn.
> You can take your football and go home if you want, I'll be here,
> defending my beliefs, and teaching others that it really isn't so bad, in
> comparison.
> I receive complements on my children's behavior and that reinforces the
> good parenting job I'm doing. It ain't broken.
> Regarding this thread, and your point that it has nothing to do with
> parenting, I strongly disagree. Our political beliefs are what shape us
> as parents, blind, sighted, fill in the blank. I say we change the thread
> subject to Political issues, that way we can discuss school and culture,
> which is in our faces, and making it increasingly difficult to raise our
> children accordingly. So go tell on me, Tammy, because you can't have it
> your way, but I say stay, and defend yourself. I can't hurt you, what are
> you afraid of? Why are you so angry with me?
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:35:29 -0400
>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>Hi,
>>I don't live in America, as you call it? It's not America btw,
> it's The
>>united States of America, it's part of North America. You said
> you were a
>>teacher, obviously not a teacher of geography. and why exactly
> should
>>people study your culture exclusively? It's obviously not the
> best culture
>>if I'm reading your message right and you think all other
> cultures are
>>beneath yours. I'm sorry list but I'm sick of attitudes like
> this one!
>>Thinking she's better then everybody else because she's a
> teacher, or
>>because she's quote American, or because she's fill in the blank.
> In my
>>world respect is earned, and you won't get it if you don't earn
> it first.
>>This is supposed to be a parenting list, but since Trishs has
> joined I'm
>>getting nothing but attitude and snotty little I'm better then
> everybody
>>else comments from her, and I'm really getting sick of it. I
> should
>>probably take it up with the moderators, but whenever I do that
> they either
>>tell me it's my fault or just ignore the problem completely. Do
> you think
>>please that we could stop this thread and get back to talking
> about
>>something useful? If it had been me who started this thread The
> moderators
>>would have shut me down after my first or second post on the
> subject,
>>whether I was disaggreeing, agreeing with somebody or just
> stating a fact.
>>But since it wasn't me they choose to let it go on for days and
> days and do
>>nothing even though it has nothing to do with blind parenting or
> even
>>parenting in general. You watch, I'll probably even get kicked
> off the list
>>for this post, even though I can think of much worse messages
> that have been
>>sent by other people and nothing has been done about them.
>
>>I guess, we'll see!
>
>>Tammy
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:09 PM
>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>I suppose that "respect" isn't quite universal. I feel that
> others should
>>>study our culture as aposed to your suggestion, this Is America!
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>Date sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:05:00 -0400
>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>Well you know what I think of when I hear the word assume? You
>>> may want to
>>>>study the cultures in question before you make such assumptions,
>>> because
>>>>manners vary greatly from culture to culture. Some languages
>>> don't even
>>>>have a wordl for please or thank you. It doesn't mean they're
>>> being rude,
>>>>it's just not a word they need.
>
>>>>Tammy
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:28 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>> Violent scenarios aside, manners are manners. I assume we all
>>> know what
>>>>> to teach, and regardless of personality, affluence, culture,
>>> traumatic
>>>>> experiences, we need to be tought, and we need to learn how to
>>> teach them
>>>>> to our future leaders. It's our responsibility as parents to do
>>> so, or
>>>>> others will.
>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:34:56 -0400
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>That's all well and good but what's right to one parent may not
>>>>> be right to
>>>>>>another, and what gives us the right to judge either parent?
>
>>>>>>tammy
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>>> Okay, I'd like to sit those parents in a time-out until they can
>>>>> make
>>>>>>> right choices about raising polite children.
>>>>>>> Barbara
>
>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>>>>> I still say the use of violent metaphors is a problem given the
>>>>> subject
>>>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>>> We want to teach respect, but we use words that imply that it is
>>>>> okay to
>>>>>>>> hurt another human being.
>>>>>>>> Any wonder why kids aren't "getting it?"
>
>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:05 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>>>>> I have to agree. I see parents in public all the time that I
>>>>> just want
>>>>>>>> to smack, but unless their child is doing something that impacts
>>>>> me, my
>>>>>>>> baby, or my dog, I just bite my tongue. I will say something in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> above instances, though. Like when kids are barking at my dog,
>>>>> chasing
>>>>>>>> my dog, trying to hit my dog with toys, etc. I'll do the same
>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> anyone's kid is bugging Elise in similar ways.
>>>>>>>> Dena
>
>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>>>>>I agree with you on one point. If a child is being disruptive at
>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> event
>>>>>>>>>the parents should try and keep them quiet. On the other points
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> totally
>>>>>>>>>have to disagree with you on. If a parent allows there children
>>>>> to run
>>>>>>>>>threw a store witch by the way is a huge peeve of mine, then that
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>rite and who is it for us to tell them to control there children.
>>>>> We
>>>>>>>> gripe
>>>>>>>>>as blind parents because people are always trying to tell us how
>>>>> do do
>>>>>>>>>things, thinking we cant parent, and so on, but then we will turn
>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>and boss parents around thus doing the same thing that we look
>>>>> down on
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>it is done to us. How would you feel if you had your child on a
>>>>> leash
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>order to give him freedom but also keeping him safe as a blind
>>>>> parent
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>someone came up to you telling you to get your child off a leash
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>was not a dog? I realize that the situations are not exactly
>>>>> alike,
>>>>>>>> but in
>>>>>>>>>principle one parent telling another how to raise there kids is
>>>>> exactly
>
>>>>>>>>>alike. I personally can not stand parents allowing kids to run
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> stores,
>>>>>>>>>scream out of control in restaurants, but It is not my place to
>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>how to raise there kids. And besides do we think that by us
>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>>>make there kids stop running around that from now on they will be
>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>parents and follow our lead? I think not.
>>>>>>>>> JOB Sorry if this sounds harsh, its not meant to be so, but its
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> peeve of
>>>>>>>>> mine to have people tell me what to do. LOL
>>>>>>>>> Amber
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: trishs
>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>>>>> Last year at my girl's Christmas concert I sat across the table
>>>>>>>>> from a young woman and man with a little boy two-years-old.
>>>>>>>>> Micro man wasn't willing to sit quietly, super-parents weren't
>>>>>>>>> willing to take him to the provided quiet room, and Trish
>>>>> almost
>>>>>>>>> got herself beat up because I couldn't keep my mouth shut. I
>>>>>>>>> complained to them about their noise and I was told "maybe you
>>>>>>>>> should mind your own business, this is a family concert." I
>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>> I was aware of that, but I couldn't hear my family. "Your
>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>> man may be the center of your universe, but he is not the
>>>>> center
>>>>>>>>> of mine, and he's disruptive, and you're inconsiderate." They
>>>>>>>>> went into the office and complained about me. Nothing
>>>>> happened,
>>>>>>>>> but my mom couldn't get me out of there fast enough.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but, if you're in
>>>>>>>>> public, the grocery store, restaurant, school event, every
>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>> you do there is public. If I find your children running around
>>>>>>>>> in the store I'm going to say something to you.
>>>>>>>>> It's not as though I'm barging into your living room telling
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> how to raise your family.
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