[blparent] Noisy shoes
Barbara Hammel
poetlori8 at msn.com
Mon Nov 17 14:49:36 UTC 2008
They do have an O&M teacher and this one is at least willing to teach the
touch technique.
Barbara
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From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:14 AM
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
> I am jumping in way late after a long computer crash. But I wanted to
> point out a few things. The blind childrens center here in LA is teaching
> kids as early as the child is walking to use a cane. They start with a
> thing that looks sort of like a walker but it is not quite a walker. I
> have personally seen little kids with the smallest cane ever. They have
> pamplits and they are there to help parents with little children. I can
> give anyone who wants it the number. Rick is on the board of derectors out
> there. I would have to agree, it is a very bad idea to have a child hold
> on to you cane rather then holding on by some other manner.
> I have a few questions, Are you getting them proper ONM and have they seen
> a licenced instructor who can help?
> And Tammy, I had no idea Collen was blind. How did I miss that? Hmmm
> I had a few other thaughts, and when I remember them I will post them.
> AMber
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>
>
>>I guess we'll never know the ratios at those places, but if you were one
>>person for, say 8 babies, I could see doing it--though it would break my
>>heart.
>>
>> When I worked at a day-care, another staff member and I had 17
>> one-year-olds all by ourselves. Ratio is one adult for four children.
>> It was a zoo. I can't imagine having those kinds of ratios every day
>> 24/7.
>> Barbara
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 9:28 PM
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I honestly am at a loss for what to say that might help you. It sounds
>>> like you're doing the best you can with what you have, and it's hard
>>> enough teaching things to willing learners. I don't know how anybody
>>> could just put two kids in a crib or swing and leave them there.
>>>
>>> Tammy
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>
>>>
>>>> To some extent you're right about being frustrated. However, with them
>>>> frustration kicks in the minute you introduce them to something new.
>>>> They don't want to try anything new. You see, for the first three
>>>> years of their life no one asked a thing of them. They probably spent
>>>> the whole time in a crib or a swing. I don't know what they do with
>>>> gobs of children in an orphanage. The time they spent in a foster home
>>>> I don't know what was expected of them either. I know when they went
>>>> back to the orphanage when we said we'd take them, the foster parents
>>>> were at their wits' end as to what to do with them.
>>>>
>>>> They fight us tooth and nail--literally--to stay in that happy place
>>>> they knew, one more so than the other.
>>>> Barbara
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:51 PM
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> No, I'm not saying that at all. But if it's frustrating them to the
>>>>> point they throw the cane then they're not learning anything from the
>>>>> experience. Maybe they're showing you in their own way that they're
>>>>> not ready for using a cane. If they're developmentally challenged, it
>>>>> would be sensible to keep showing them the cane, but not pressuring
>>>>> them to use it. Wait a bit until they ask about it or seem a little
>>>>> interested in it and then maybe things will go better. They're six
>>>>> years old and not interested in the cane at all right now. What's
>>>>> wrong with them holding on to someone's hand if they feel comfortable
>>>>> doing that. Why force a cane in to their hands when they don't know
>>>>> how to be safe with it right now? They'll just rebell against it
>>>>> later, and then you're back at square one again. My son loves using
>>>>> his cane, but he's 3 and he sees us using ours all the time so that
>>>>> helps. He's recently started using it at school to go from one room
>>>>> to the other, and I'm told he uses it well. But if he didn't want to
>>>>> use it, I wouldn't make him, and even in 3 years when he's six I
>>>>> wouldn't pressure him to use it. He'd get tired of falling down stairs
>>>>> and bumping in to things eventually. This isn't an issue of stopping
>>>>> showing them how to use the cane, it's an issue of effective and safe
>>>>> travel, and letting someone, anyone hold on to your cane for teaching
>>>>> purposes is unsafe and dangerous for all concerned imo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tammy
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So tammy, are you saying if someone can't understand something from
>>>>>> no fault of their own, we shouldn't try to teach them anything. this
>>>>>> is like keeping them locked up because they are not the same as you
>>>>>> or me. These kids are developmentally challenged and I believe they
>>>>>> should continue trying, not give up on them in any way, shape or
>>>>>> form. I beliee that each and everyday their mother should show them
>>>>>> the cane and practice with it. this is how some people learn. V
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:19 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> No, you're right, not everyone's a pro at first tap, but when a
>>>>>>> person is
>>>>>>> trying to learn how to use a cane properly they at least have the
>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>> know what the purpose of the cane is so they can at least try to use
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> effectively. What's the point of trying to teach him something he
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> seem to understand? It will just frustrate him and his mother, and
>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>> him to not want to use the cane at all, and that's far from what
>>>>>>> anybody
>>>>>>> involved wants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tammy
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:17 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We all have to start somewhere. Not everyone is a pro at first
>>>>>>>> tap.
>>>>>>>> Smile. When I went to the orientation center for the blind when I
>>>>>>>> was 29,
>>>>>>>> it was hard learning to trust it. I always felt better holding on
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> someone. All the instructors would show us how to hold it, where
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>> hands should be and then they would turn us out to the wild. Some
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> were so frightened they dropped out and left the center. Imagine
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> scarry it is for a child to all of a sudden not be able to hold on
>>>>>>>> to mom
>>>>>>>> anymore and not be able to see. If indeed, Barbara is just teaching
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> letting him hold the cane it is okay, but just for walking and
>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>> around it is not a good idea for either of them. V
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:10 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> If he doesn't know or has no concept of how and why to use a cane
>>>>>>>>> then he
>>>>>>>>> shouldn't be using one. As for holding on to your cane, there
>>>>>>>>> has to be
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> better more safe way to travel with your children. Not only are
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> putting
>>>>>>>>> yourself in danger when you let your child hold on to your cane,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> children are also in danger if you don't use safe methods of
>>>>>>>>> traveling.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tammy
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:21 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And that is a problem we do have. He refuses to use it correctly
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> a good thing I know our block and other places where I have him
>>>>>>>>>> do that.
>>>>>>>>>> Once in a while I do run into things or trip, but he has to learn
>>>>>>>>>> somehow.
>>>>>>>>>> Got any ideas how to get him to hold his own cane. We've tried
>>>>>>>>>> fastening
>>>>>>>>>> it in his hand but he hates that. The teaching cane is the best
>>>>>>>>>> method
>>>>>>>>>> I've found so far. I'm not bragging when I say I'm a very good
>>>>>>>>>> traveler
>>>>>>>>>> who is very aware of my surroundings because I'm not brave at all
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> comes to new situations.
>>>>>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Dena Wainwright" <autumnrose21 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:12 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> having a child hold onto your cane doesn't seem especially
>>>>>>>>>>> effective or
>>>>>>>>>>> safe to me... how can you get accurate info with someone holding
>>>>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>>>> also, what if he lets go?
>>>>>>>>>>> Dena
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:30 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, instead of holding your cane, you should have your
>>>>>>>>>>>> child
>>>>>>>>>>>> hold onto your pants or belt loop. V
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:55 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The leashes we have are just harnesses with the leash
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasten
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with velcro in the back. They're kind of tricky to figure out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to get the child's arms through in the right place. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> often but if I take the twins alone I take one on a leash and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> holds onto my cane. I've even tied the one's cane to his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leash so we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to spend forever looking for it if he drops it or throws
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for cane tips? That's a different story. So far I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the pop off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only had the opportunity to use it once and it was a real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belonged to our husky. Gab thought it great fun to wear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shelby's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leash as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we made our way through a very busy airport in Las Angelas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what others think as long as my child is safe. V
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:06 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've gotten comments on the leash I use for my daughter, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been positive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really though, I don't much care, because as parents, it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep our kids safe, while still providing them and ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oppertunities to get out and about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your husband doesn't have to like the leash, but he does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his child safe. Liking the leash is not a requirement for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *using* a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Melissa Ann Riccobono
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Shannon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't thrilled about the squeaking shoes either, so I put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bells
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> son's shoes. They are noisy, but at least it's a pleasant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noise to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listen to. As for leashes, at least in the US, they sell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones that are a small backpack that looks like an animal (we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monkey) and the tail of the animal is the leash. Austin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (not all kids do, of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course) and has even named it. Maybe I get stares when I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public, but at least I know Austin is safe. And, I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> received a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments about how cute the leash is, and even what a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Melissa
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