[blparent] [Bulk] Re: Blind Parents Meeting

Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS) REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com
Wed Jun 3 12:26:38 UTC 2009 

Thank you Kate. This is *exactly* what I was trying to convey. You did
it far more sucintly then I did.  

-----Original Message-----
From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of kate02 at bellsouth.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:13 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Re: Blind Parents Meeting


I think we should keep in mind that being blind parents places us in the
minority.  I have found over the years that it is popular for minority
populations to justify removal of children on solely the issue or
choices that create their situation.  It just seams to be a common theme
in Minority and fringe populations.  My kid was removed because fill in
the blank and let the panic begin.

Are there times that blind parents are questioned by CPS?, yes and I
would imagine if you reacted badly things could go that way.  

But the constant being told that because your blind you may lose your
kids does nothing but scare people and helps no one.  How can a new
Mother, father, or couple who is blind handle themselves if DCF is
involved if they have been siked up.

Kids get hurt.  Kids put their clothes on backwards. Kids forget
homework.  That's just how it is.  

Its one thing to be informed of your rights but having yourself in this
panic that its you against DCF is just going to the extreme.  I expect
questions and have no reason not to answer I have nothing to hide so why
should I panic?  Fifty percent of blind parents being seen by DCF and
being threatened with the removal of their children just sounds high.

Personally I'd like to see proof not stats, any one can write stats.

Kate
  
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>
> Hi,
> 
> But the you might be next mind set is the one you need to take with 
> organizations like cps, because you very well could be and for no 
> other reason the fact that you're blind.  The fact is that every 
> disabled person should be aware that this could happen to them.  Cps 
> could be called on them by a neighbour well-meaning or not, a friend, 
> or even a family member, and they do have the power to make your life 
> miserable for a very long time, and even to tear your family apart 
> without even a second thought after your kids are in foster care and 
> you're sitting in your empty home saying you wished you'd listened to 
> all the fear mongering and advice from lists like this one.
> 
> Tammy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:52 AM
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
> 
> 
> > My daughter is learning to put her clothes on and has put them on 
> > inside out, backwards, you n ame it. She's so proud of herself, I 
> > won't correct her, that joy and confidence she displays is precious.
> > The times people have commented, I just explain that she did it 
> > herself, and I say it proudly. It hasn't been an issue.
> > Also, if you are going to present raw data, how is it not fear 
> > mongering when you offer no supporting data. It's like saying "100 
> > people will be killed in a car wreck today, you might be one of 
> > them" without saying "to lessen the odds, wear a seatbelt and don't 
> > ride with someone who has been drinking".
> > Knowing what actions and attitudes we can take is far more 
> > bennificial then just tossing out numbers with the "and you might be
next" mindset.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> > [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > On Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:34 AM
> > To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
> >
> > It's not fear-mongering.  It's just pointing out a fact.  Sighted 
> > people sometimes have such an overwhelming sense of fear of being 
> > blind that they butt into people's business because they don't think

> > they could handle a child if they were blind.
> > Those people are there.  They always want to help you.  After 
> > putting your child's shoes on the right feet for 9/10 of the school 
> > year and then you put them on wrong by accident, instead of just 
> > changing them, they have to point out to you that you made a 
> > mistake.  I know, we all do that to some extent.
> > Barbara
> >
> > If wisdom's ways you wisely seek, five things observe with care:  of

> > whom you speak, to whom you speak, and how and when and where.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:46 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
> >
> >> I don't think any of us are excluded per sea, but putting out these

> >> stats with no other data is nothing more then fear mongering in my 
> >> oppinion. What value is to be gained in that?
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> >> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> On Behalf Of Kliph
> >> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:27 PM
> >> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
> >>
> >> That would be me also.  I am blind, but my wife can see.  So does 
> >> that
> >
> >> exclude us?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> >> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> On Behalf Of Scott Lawlor
> >> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:43 PM
> >> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
> >>
> >> I'd also be interested in this information and does any of the data

> >> apply to
> >>
> >> a situation where only one of the parents is blind?
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:03 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
> >>
> >>
> >>> Interesting.
> >>> I'd be interested to k now more about this statistic.
> >>> One half of all blind parents.
> >>> Where is this number coming from?
> >>> What are the nature of these contacts? Do these cases involve the
> >> blind
> >>> parent who is at home with his/her kids or ones who work outside 
> >>> the home?
> >>> What impact does a blind couple raising a child v. a sighted-blind

> >>> couple have on these contacts with social services?
> >>> What sparks these contacts?Does doing something "unconventional" 
> >>> such
> >> as
> >>> having a child born at home or choosing not to vaccinate play a 
> >>> factor in if CPS comes calling?
> >>> Has anybody done a quantifiable breakdown of blind parents and 
> >>> their contact with CPS?
> >>>
> >>> I ask because I've heard this statistic before but would be 
> >>> interested to know more about the data driving it.
> >>> Anybody?
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>> On Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:14 PM
> >>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
> >>>
> >>> I'm so glad that, according to our current schedule, I'll be able 
> >>> to attend.
> >>> It's funny, in 2006 I attended the meeting and you talked about 
> >>> how something like one half of all blind parents will have Child
> >> Protective
> >>> Services call on them.  In some respects, I was so glad--yet very 
> >>> appalled--to hear that fact.  A friend of mine insisted I go to 
> >>> that meeting, not knowing that was the subject.  I had just marked

> >>> the
> >> first
> >>> anniversary of having the twins and had just had CPS at my door on
> >> that
> >>> last day of school.  Back then, Paul would never cry when he was 
> >>> hurt
> >
> >>> and he'd fallen on a toy and got a big bruise and I didn't know
it.
> >>> I am the bather and changer in our house and at that time my 
> >>> husband's
> >> job
> >>> took him away quite a bit.  Luckily he was home that day.
> >>> So anyone who's going, I hope to meet you this year.
> >>> Barbara
> >>>
> >>> If wisdom's ways you wisely seek, five things observe with care:  
> >>> of whom you speak, to whom you speak, and how and when and where.
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:38 PM
> >>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
> >>>
> >>>> It is so funny, I was just remembering meeting you the year the 
> >>>> convention was in Kentucky.  Was that 2002 or 2003?  Gab was very

> >>>> young and I left her with my hubby for the first time.  I felt 
> >>>> lost without her.  Well anyway I went to your meeting and felt 
> >>>> completely
> >
> >>>> like a dodo.  I asked questions such as how will she know what 
> >>>> color
> >> a
> >>>
> >>>> crayon is or how will she color with me or how will I teach her 
> >>>> the alphabet.  How will I read to her.  They all seemed trivial 
> >>>> but you were so kind and made me feel right at home.
> >>>> Thanks for everything.  I wish I was going this year, maybe next
> >> time.
> >>>
> >>>> V
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>
> >>>> On Behalf Of Deborah Kent Stein
> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:01 AM
> >>>> To: Multiple recipients of NFBnet blparent Mailing List
> >>>> Subject: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi, all,
> >>>>
> >>>> This year the Blind Parents Group will meet at convention on July

> >>>> 4 from 7:30 to 10 P.M.  Traditionally this is an informal meeting

> >>>> where everyone is
> >>>>
> >>>> free to share experiences and ideas.  I would love to hear your 
> >>>> thoughts about possible topics for discussion, so please feel 
> >>>> free to contact me
> >>>> on-
> >>>> or off-list.  I look forward to meeting many of you at this 
> >>>> year's meeting!
> >>>>
> >>>> Debbie Stein
> >>>> dkent5817 at worldnet.att.net
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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