[Cabs] Report From Conference Call
Diane
dianefilipe at peoplepc.com
Wed Dec 16 02:06:58 UTC 2009
My point is, I don't know what problem you are having with my math.
Diane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
> Yes. Now, will you be kind enough to tell me your point?
>
> Thanks
> Nimer J
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> Nimer M. Jaber
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> Diane wrote:
>> Nimer,
>> Please take a moment to address my math skills with me.
>> $1030.87 - 600.00 = $430.87, correct?
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>
>>
>>> All right, let's start off point by point. Please look at your original
>>> message for my comments.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Nimer J
>>>
>>> Nimer M. Jaber
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>>> Diane wrote:
>>>> Mr. Nimer,
>>>> Number one, I do not have your $5 dues making you a paid member of CABS
>>>> for the 2009-2010 year.
>>> NJ: You do not have this because of some unfortunate events, I was
>>> unable to attend the state convention, as you no doubt already know.
>>>> Number two, where on earth is my math error? I know it often takes
>>>> more than one person to look over something and find possible errors,
>>>> but I have no idea where you think I should start.
>>> I was not criticizing you or anyone else. I simply believe that in order
>>> to be treasurer of CABS, some math skills ought to be had. Likewise, to
>>> be a secretary, you should be able to take understandable and clear
>>> notes. And to be president, I would hope that that person would have
>>> some sort of leadership experience.
>>>> Number three, you owe everyone an apology for your outburst. No one
>>>> needs to be attacked or made to feel they are incompetent. Everyone
>>>> deserves a chance!
>>>> No one is perfect except for God, and we should all be allowed to
>>>> continue to do the very best we can each day without the fear of
>>>> ridicule.
>>> Amen!! I was not attacking anyone, or making anyone feel ridiculed. If
>>> anyone has any issues, please email me privately off list so as not to
>>> clutter this list. I am willing to make a public apology to anyone who
>>> felt ridiculed. I was simply saying this: I believe that the
>>> constitution has issues. Members who can not for whatever reason fulfill
>>> the requirements of the position that they are running for ought not to
>>> be elected. The only way to judge whether or not someone is competent or
>>> capable enough to complete his/her tasks is by providing some sort of
>>> test or qualifier that must be attained to before this person is
>>> eligible to be in that office. For example, in order to run for US
>>> presidency, you must meet an age requirement, a citizen requirement, and
>>> a residency requirement. Same with congress members.
>>>> In your lifetime, you will probably encounter a million different
>>>> people. You won't like some of them, but you can not lash out at people
>>>> and intentionally hurt them.
>>> This has nothing to do with whether or not I like anyone. I have no
>>> issues with anyone on this list. If I have issues with a particular
>>> individual, that is between me and that individual. I would never put
>>> down that individual publicly on this list. I was addressing concerns I
>>> had, and was hoping to have a civilized discussion about it, not be
>>> attacked, told that the status quo is acceptable, and told I had to
>>> apologize.
>>>> You have no say in if our constitution is satisfactory or not. There
>>>> are many great leaders in our organization who have put an incredible
>>>> amount of pork into seeing that our constitution is just and fair.
>>> I am sure that the leaders who put in tireless work and effort to form
>>> the constitution indeed did a great job in forming it. I am simply
>>> asking for opinions/discussions on amendments that I believe ought to be
>>> made in order to improve the running of CABS. And if I am a Colorado
>>> Student, I am pretty sure I indeed do have a right to express my
>>> opinions on issues that involve me. I do not have to be a paying member
>>> to express my opinions and assist with changes. I do if I wish to vote,
>>> and I will be. I believe that as a board member, it ought to be your
>>> responsibility to learn who is permitted to express opinions, and who
>>> isn't. Furthermore, if my opinion isn't welcome, then I am puzzled why I
>>> was permitted on this mailing list to begin with. There was no form of
>>> verification when I signed up to this list that asked whether or not I
>>> was a paying member of CABS.
>>>> KI hope this is the last comment written on this subject. At least for
>>>> today.
>>>> Please send your $5 to:
>>>> 1455 44th Avenue Place
>>>> Greeley, CO. 80634
>>>> Please remember the reason for the season!
>>>> Diane
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber"
>>>> <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've read over the constitution, and still find this to be
>>>>> unsatisfactory. I understand the roles of each elected position. I
>>>>> understand that Abel was elected fairly. What I don't understand is
>>>>> this for your : Is there any test that one must take to be able to,
>>>>> for instance, handle the CABS fund? Is there anything someone must do
>>>>> to become secretary? If not, then yes, something like a month's
>>>>> application ought to be submitted to the board. This application ought
>>>>> to include some basic questions. What is 1+2? How do you spell
>>>>> committee? That type of thing. This ensures that those who are elected
>>>>> are fully competent and able to complete the job that they have been
>>>>> assigned or elected to do. Again, I am not asking for a recall of
>>>>> elections. I am not wishing to dispute the results of this year's
>>>>> elections. I am simply asking whether or not there are any sorts of
>>>>> tests that one must take to ensure that he/she is competent enough to
>>>>> complete their duties as officer on the CABS board. If they are not in
>>>>> place, I am suggesting that they should be put in place, and I am
>>>>> willing to draft a proposal and submit it to whoever for discussion
>>>>> and adoption by the board, or whoever needs to adopt it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>
>>>>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Marty Rahn wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Nimer, Thank you for bringing up these concerns. I did receive the
>>>>>> message which you sent, and would like to address the question which
>>>>>> you pose about the requirements that one must fulfil in order to
>>>>>> serve on the board. According to Article V, of the Constitution of
>>>>>> our devision, entitled, "officers and Their Duties," it states the
>>>>>> following:
>>>>>> "Section One: Officers
>>>>>> There shall be elected at the regular annual business meeting a
>>>>>> President Vice President Second Vice President a Secretary and a
>>>>>> Treasurer The terms of their offices shall begin at the close of the
>>>>>> annual business meeting at which they are elected and qualified
>>>>>> Officers shall be elected by a majority vote of all members present
>>>>>> and voting There shall be no proxy voting if no nominee receives a
>>>>>> majority vote on the first ballot the name of the person receiving
>>>>>> the least votes will be removed from the list of nominees and a
>>>>>> second ballot recorded This procedure shall continue until one
>>>>>> candidate receives a simple majority of the votes The holders of the
>>>>>> offices of President, Vice President, and Second Vice President must
>>>>>> be students who are blind and planning to attend an educational
>>>>>> program in the academic year following the election All other
>>>>>> officers may be blind or sighted students and must be planning to
>>>>>> attend an educational program in the academic year following the
>>>>>> election
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Section Two: Duties
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The duties of each officer shall be those ordinarily associated with
>>>>>> that office."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have also atached the Constitution in its Entirety to this message
>>>>>> should anyone else care to take a look at the document that governs
>>>>>> our devision. In short, Abel was fairly elected by the paying
>>>>>> membership of this devision to the position of Secretary, and there
>>>>>> is nothing in our Constitution which allows me to replace him or any
>>>>>> other officer who has been elected by those who have paid their dues.
>>>>>> I have read through our Constitution twice now, and this is one of
>>>>>> sevral reasons why I have not yet answered the message you sent me
>>>>>> inquiring about the position of Secretary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In your reply to one of Melissa's messages, you state that you
>>>>>> believe there needs to be safeguards in place to ensure that everyone
>>>>>> elected to the CABS board meets the requirements set forth in the
>>>>>> Constitution. Have you given any thought to what these safeguards
>>>>>> might entail? Should we ask for some type of varification about a
>>>>>> candidates visual impairment and their school status to be submitted
>>>>>> to the board before we proceed with elections? Should this
>>>>>> information be sent idealy a month or so ahead of time so that
>>>>>> elections can take place unimpeeded? The long and short of this
>>>>>> uniquely human problem is that there are numerous people, including
>>>>>> myself, who have responsibilities,priorities, and lives outside of
>>>>>> their duties to the devision. No one person can be everywhere at
>>>>>> once, nore is it my responsibility to personally handhold and babysit
>>>>>> everyone to make sure that everything gets done. We are all adults,
>>>>>> and should at least be able to prioritize our responsibilities on
>>>>>> their level of importants. With that said, we all have different
>>>>>> views about the level of importance assigned to each task in our
>>>>>> lives. Just like with committees established by the state Board of
>>>>>> Directors, committees must meet and commence with their tasks at a
>>>>>> time that is mutually benificial for all members. This means that
>>>>>> committee chairs must take responsibility to answer emails or phone
>>>>>> calls from members. While I realize that the information about
>>>>>> committee appointments was apparently not received by everyone, it
>>>>>> has now been sent out, and there should be no question about whom one
>>>>>> is to contact in order to serve on a committee, or to ask a question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can not go back and undo what has already been done, but we can
>>>>>> move forward and try to make things better. Ideally, every
>>>>>> organization strives for transparency, and CABS should be no
>>>>>> different. However, in order to achieve this, we must all work
>>>>>> together. I can not address problems until I am made aware of them,
>>>>>> so let's keep diologuing in hopes of reaching a satisfactory level of
>>>>>> transparency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marty Rahn,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> president, Colorado Association of Blind Students
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber"
>>>>>> <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:52 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No doubt many would disagree with my opinion, and some may believe
>>>>>>> that I am being too harsh. However, if a secretary can't form notes
>>>>>>> that are spelled correctly, have proper grammar, and takes half of
>>>>>>> the conference call to discuss notes which are still messed up, then
>>>>>>> I don't put much faith in the secretary elected to represent the
>>>>>>> Colorado Students. Are there no requirements other than being a
>>>>>>> student to fulfill the role of secretary, or any position for that
>>>>>>> matter? I should hope that my treasurer can count and keep track of
>>>>>>> funds, my secretary can take notes that, while brief, are
>>>>>>> understandable, and my president can return emails when I send them
>>>>>>> out. So far, I have emailed a request to the president regarding the
>>>>>>> requirements for board positions. I want to know what is required to
>>>>>>> be a secretary or a treasurer of CABS. Also, if there was any effort
>>>>>>> whatsoever put into the website, this process would be transparent
>>>>>>> and no questions would need to be asked. Now, maybe some will see
>>>>>>> this email as some guy writing an email to ramble about things,
>>>>>>> however, I wave offered to work on the site, I have offered to help
>>>>>>> out with many other things, in fact. Many of these such things keep
>>>>>>> on getting delayed. For example, while I brought issues about the
>>>>>>> website up two months ago, I was told at the last meeting that a
>>>>>>> meeting of the tech committee wouldn't take place until next month.
>>>>>>> I was also told over a week ago at the last conference call that a
>>>>>>> list of committee members (a full list) would be sent out to this
>>>>>>> list, and unless something is going on with my email, I have not
>>>>>>> received such a list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My hope with taking up bandwidth in posting this message is to see
>>>>>>> change, and I hope that our leadership will rise up and answer the
>>>>>>> call with transparency. If guidelines are not set, I hope they _will
>>>>>>> _be set. Abel, this message was in no way intended to hurt your
>>>>>>> feelings, and I am sure that there are many other positions that you
>>>>>>> would be better suited to on the CABS board. However, the secretary
>>>>>>> ought to be able to speak clearly, read and write minutes, and post
>>>>>>> them to a forum such as this list in a timely manner hopefully to be
>>>>>>> determined by CABS. I know we are all busy, but this shouldn't be an
>>>>>>> excuse for a lack of transparency. Also, if anyone got their
>>>>>>> feelings hurt and wishes to discuss it with me, please email me
>>>>>>> privately at nimerjaber1 at gmail.com and I will do my best to
>>>>>>> alleviate your concerns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your time in reading this message, and I look forward
>>>>>>> to any responses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Phone:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Abel Ayalew wrote:
>>>>>>>> December 6, 2009was our first Conference call After the convention.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> meeting started at 6.45 P.M. Marty, Mellisa, Maurice, Nimer, Esha,
>>>>>>>> Becky,
>>>>>>>> Arille, and Abel were present at the meeting. Treasury report
>>>>>>>> $430.87
>>>>>>>> balance of available. People are assigned committee. Every one
>>>>>>>> selling candy
>>>>>>>> in there campus. The next Conference Call will be in January 17,
>>>>>>>> 2010 at 7
>>>>>>>> P.M. January 21, 2010 will be a trip to the Colorado school for the
>>>>>>>> blind to
>>>>>>>> talk to the student. The meeting adjourn at 8 P.M.
>>>>>>>>
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