[Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads

Sat Nov 1 19:37:19 UTC 2008

Ok Greg so how many centuries is our country behind the rest of the world.?

I for one am satisfied with the product I am getting.

Besides you are looking from 20 20 hind sight. It would be rather hard for 
them to make the changing you are proposing to get the [predict out quicker 
when the product is already out.

I believe it is a lot more complicated  than you make it out to be.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
To: "Lynn Evans" <evans-lynn at comcast.net>; "Discussion of Digital Talking 
Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads

: Ah but you are mistaken, I am a U.S. citizen who spends part of my
: time in Australia and part of it in the United States. I am also a
: patron of both the U.S. NLS program (expatriate citizen can accessit
: overseas) and that of Western Australia. As such I am distressed by
: the time, expense and delay that my government has imposed on this
: service particularly when I compare it to other library services world
: wide.
:
: Greg Kearney
: Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
: www.cucat.org
:
: On Oct 31, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Lynn Evans wrote:
:
: > Greg I am not locked out of the system. And there is no need for me
: > to write
: > my congressperson.
: >
: >
: >
: > You on the other hand being in Australia are.
: >
: >
: >
: > I have been enjoying the product of NLS' labor for the past two years.
: >
: >
: >
: > It would serve this list better if you would go ahead and do your
: > thing with
: > your DAISY books and quit your belly aching about Bookshare and NLS
: > not
: > doing it the right way.
: >
: >
: >
: >
: >
: > End of rant
: >
: > ----- Original Message -----
: > From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
: > To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
: > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:58 PM
: > Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
: >
: >
: > A couple of points.
: >
: > First once you have the recording you would have a perfect digital
: > master and every copy you make would itself be perfect. This is not
: > like making a tape copy from a tape where quality degrades with each
: > copy. Further these player will play be book unattended from start to
: > finish. Once you start the recording process you could let it run by
: > itself and when your software detect say a minute of silence it can be
: > set to stop recording. It's not like tapes where you have to be
: > tending it all the time turning the tape over putting in new ones and
: > so on.
: >
: > Second anyone wanting to copy books this way does not care about the
: > DAISY navigation because they will be selling them to the general
: > public who don't have DAISY playback devices. Anyone who did want the
: > DAISY navigation would have a player anyway and legal access to the
: > book so there is no market there.
: >
: > This whole "we will not authorize software playback" is a solution
: > looking for a problem. There has never been a serious problem with
: > pirated NLS recordings and tape player for those recording have been
: > sold to anyone for many years.
: >
: > A simple DAISY book with the audio file and smil file names randomized
: > would keep all but the most determined from gaining access to the book
: > and meet the demands of the copyright act.
: >
: > The NLS has spent untold amount of time and money, which has delayed
: > the introduction of digital talking books in the U.S. by a decade, on
: > an ineffective digital rights management sceme that can be defeated
: > with a $2 patch cord.
: >
: > Greg Kearney
: > Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
: > www.cucat.org
: >
: > On Oct 31, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
: >
: >> The thinking is that such Rube Goldberg engineering jobs wouldn't be
: >> as marketable, not to mention the fact that one would lose abbl the
: >> Daisy navigation.
: >>
: >>
: >> Mike
: >>
: >>
: >> #- Original Message #-
: >> From: tim karen <tkaren at san.rr.com>
: >> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
: >> Date: 2008/10/31 21:22:30
: >> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
: >>
: >>>
: >>>
: >>> But what is to stop the same thing with the hard player? If it has
: >>> an
: >>> earphone plug, it can do the same.
: >>>
: >>> Tim Karen
: >>>
: >>> Mike Freeman wrote:
: >>>> Nope. NLS has decided as a matter of policy that the encryption
: >>>> algorithm will not be made available for software players due to
: >>>> the danger of "reverse engineering" the books, thus violating the
: >>>> copyright laws.
: >>>>
: >>>> Mike Freeman
: >>>>
: >>>> #- Original Message #-
: >>>> From: tim karen <tkaren at san.rr.com>
: >>>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
: >>>> Date: 2008/10/31 18:44:48
: >>>> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>>> Do you know if the EasyReader Software that can be purchased from
: >>>>> RFBD
: >>>>> will play the NLS digital download books? If not, is there any
: >>>>> software
: >>>>> that can?
: >>>>>
: >>>>> Thank you.
: >>>>>
: >>>>> Tim Karen for Dorothy Karen
: >>>>>
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