[Dtb-talk] digital player information

James Aldrich jajkaldrich at gmail.com
Thu Sep 22 18:56:54 UTC 2011 

Why bother?

When the same card works in both players, I don't need to do so!  I may copy 
something across if it needs to be on both players but if the same card 
works in each unit, I need only make certain I have the card I need with me!

Jim


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lynn Evans" <evans-lynn at comcast.net>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information


> Why not Just put the same content files (same book) on two cards one for 
> each player?
>
> Maybe I am missing something.  I guess you are seeing if the different 
> file structure works in different players.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Aldrich" <jajkaldrich at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>
>
>> Hi again Jim and list, More than likely, the content
>>
>> It really depends on the content I wish to have on both machines.  More 
>> than likely, the shared content between the two machines would be NLS 
>> content. Should the Stream battery discharge, I can move the SD card to 
>> the BPP and visa versa!  I have been saying all along that the Stream has 
>> a very paticular directory structure.  It won't play content unless such 
>> content is the proper file type as daisy, MP3, audible etc.  These must 
>> be placed in their proper folders.  The BPP isn't as fussy!  It seems to 
>> find files with little effort.  I recorded a note from the stream and the 
>> BPP found it in what it called a music folder maybe a music one folder. 
>> The note was called an album.  It played just fine even though it was a 
>> .3gp file.  I think it is gradifying to me to know it can be done if I 
>> need to juggle files about at times.  It may not be done often, but it 
>> can be done!  This is especially true if I backup a file to an NLS 
>> cartridge for someone to hear.  Either machine can have a playable file 
>> on an NLS cartridge but I think it is easier to place the file on the 
>> cartridge with the BPP than the Stream.  I'm still playing with some of 
>> this stuff but I feel the BPP does a better job of seeking out files and 
>> playing them than does the Stream.  If everything is in the stream's 
>> directory structure, all is well.  It really depends on the user!  I'm 
>> pleased with both machines!
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>
>>
>>>I agree if you move the files to the $VRMusic, $VRPodcasts,
>>> $VROtherBooks, or even $VRNotes folders they would play.  The point is
>>> you have to move them.
>>>
>>> Sorry, my part in this thread feels like it jumped the shark.  My
>>> question was simply how often do you find yourself wanting to play
>>> content on both the stream and the pocket/bookport plus, especially
>>> given the constraints I mentioned earlier.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 08:33:45AM -0600, James Aldrich wrote:
>>>> I'll play with this but I'll bet if these are placed in the music 
>>>> folder,
>>>> they would play!  I'll check on this!  I'll record a note on the stream 
>>>> and
>>>> move it to BPP and see if it plays.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >Howdy,
>>>> >
>>>> >FYI: I'm assuming the bookport plus will play 3gp files, since that's
>>>> >the type of audio BARD uses for NLS talking books.
>>>> >
>>>> >Therefore, I assume anything recorded on the stream will play fine on
>>>> >the bookport plus.  But, since the stream won't be able to find files
>>>> >recorded on by the bookport plus, it won't be able to  play them.
>>>> >
>>>> >Jim
>>>> >
>>>> >On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 07:11:40PM -0600, James Aldrich wrote:
>>>> >>Hello!
>>>> >>
>>>> >>I haven't gone that far to determine all of this for certain!  I do 
>>>> >>know
>>>> >>the
>>>> >>BPP played music files my wife had on a card with no problems.  If 
>>>> >>one
>>>> >>has
>>>> >>the soft pack, one can record MP3 files with the stream and if these 
>>>> >>end
>>>> >>up
>>>> >>in a music folder, the BPP could probably play them Of course, the 
>>>> >>BPP
>>>> >>can't
>>>> >>play the 3gp or whatever it is files to my knowlege but then, I 
>>>> >>haven't
>>>> >>gone
>>>> >>that far!
>>>> >>
>>>> >>As for playing books, I usually try to stop at the end of a chapter. 
>>>> >>I
>>>> >>then
>>>> >>place the SD card in my BPP and find the chapter and all is well!  If
>>>> >>this
>>>> >>isn't possible, I try to see how much time has elapsed in the book 
>>>> >>and I
>>>> >>then forward to that time in my BPP.  I've done this between my 
>>>> >>Stream
>>>> >>and
>>>> >>NLS player often!  There are any nuymber of ways to deal with this 
>>>> >>type
>>>> >>of
>>>> >>situation!  Then again, one could put books on more than one card, 
>>>> >>thumb
>>>> >>drive or cartridge.  It is easy to backup both ways with the BPP.  I
>>>> >>don't
>>>> >>consider this problematic!
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Jim
>>>> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>>>> >>To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:26 AM
>>>> >>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>Jim,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>I'm curious when this feature is useful to you.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Your place isn't remembered between the two devices.  So, if you 
>>>> >>>start
>>>> >>>reading a book on the stream, and then continue reading it on the
>>>> >>>book port plus, you'll have to refind your place.  The same is true 
>>>> >>>in
>>>> >>>the other direction.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Also, if you record something on the BPP, the stream won't be able
>>>> >>>to play it.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Thanks,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Jim
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 08:19:30AM -0600, James Aldrich wrote:
>>>> >>>>Hi Mike, Tina and all,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>I do like the fact that I can put SD cards from my Victor Reader 
>>>> >>>>Stream
>>>> >>>>into
>>>> >>>>my Book Port Plus and play the content.  The Book Port Plus isn't 
>>>> >>>>as
>>>> >>>>particular about the directory structure so the device manages to 
>>>> >>>>find
>>>> >>>>digital content no matter where it is!  That has been my 
>>>> >>>>experience! I
>>>> >>>>don't have to move files between the two devices.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>Jim
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> >>>>To: "'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:21 PM
>>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>Good evaluation!
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>Mike
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>> >>>>>From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>> >>>>>[mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> >>>>>On
>>>> >>>>>Behalf Of Jim Barbour
>>>> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:37 AM
>>>> >>>>>To: Dale Leavens; Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>I would agree that the stream is a better device, some specifics
>>>> >>>>>below.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>* I've never seen software stability issues with the stream.  It 
>>>> >>>>>will,
>>>> >>>>> once a year or so for me, corrupt its internal database and need 
>>>> >>>>> to
>>>> >>>>> be reset.  This is a minor issue, despite how it sounds <smile>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>* The stream is a much better book reader, feeling much more
>>>> >>>>> comfortable and intuitive than the pocket.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>* The pocket does do wifi.  However, there is no web browser. 
>>>> >>>>>This
>>>> >>>>> means that you can't use it with any public facing wifi, such as 
>>>> >>>>> at
>>>> >>>>> a starbucks.  This is because there's no way to enter a password, 
>>>> >>>>> or
>>>> >>>>> agree to terms of service.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>* The pocket is a much better recorder.  If you're looking for a 
>>>> >>>>>way
>>>> >>>>> to organize class recordings, have books read, etc. then the 
>>>> >>>>> pocket
>>>> >>>>> becomes much more attractive.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>* I would also have a look at the book port plus from APH.  They 
>>>> >>>>>took
>>>> >>>>> the Pocket and redid much of its firmware.  So, the commands are
>>>> >>>>> different, and the features changed slightly.  I like the Book 
>>>> >>>>> Port
>>>> >>>>> more than the pocket, and I like the stream better than either.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>Hope this helps,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>Jim
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 01:01:49PM -0400, Dale Leavens wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>All you say is true from my perspective too. The Stream has a 
>>>> >>>>>>better
>>>> >>>>>>and
>>>> >>>>>>louder speaker as well however we have some software stability 
>>>> >>>>>>issues
>>>> >>>>>>with
>>>> >>>>>>the Stream. Just recently when copying DAISY content from CNIB 
>>>> >>>>>>discs
>>>> >>>>>>apparently works but the book does not appear in the bookshelf. 
>>>> >>>>>>When
>>>> >>>>>>attempting to copy it again one is prompted to overwrite the book
>>>> >>>>>>which
>>>> >>>>>>apparently isn't there and doing so doesn't put it there either.
>>>> >>>>>>There
>>>> >>>>>seems
>>>> >>>>>>to be issues around how the directory works and is organized. So 
>>>> >>>>>>far
>>>> >>>>>>I
>>>> >>>>>have
>>>> >>>>>>not seen this sort of trouble with the PlexTalk Pocket. I do wish 
>>>> >>>>>>it
>>>> >>>>>>had
>>>> >>>>>>a
>>>> >>>>>>more robust sound though and a better protective case for when I 
>>>> >>>>>>am
>>>> >>>>>wearing
>>>> >>>>>>it about my work in the shop and gardens.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>Dale leavens.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrews, David B (DEED)"
>>>> >>>>>><david.b.andrews at state.mn.us>
>>>> >>>>>>To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:16 PM
>>>> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>They are similar devices, they do many of the same things  --  
>>>> >>>>>>>they
>>>> >>>>>>>both
>>>> >>>>>>>have their strengths and weaknesses.  Personally I think the 
>>>> >>>>>>>Stream
>>>> >>>>is >>>a
>>>> >>>>>>>better DAISY book player, its algorithms for speeding up a book
>>>> >>>>>>>without
>>>> >>>>>>>changing the pitch are better, and it has very good battery 
>>>> >>>>>>>life,
>>>> >>>>>>>and
>>>> >>>>>>>is
>>>> >>>>>>>well thought out, and easy to use.  The Pocket is thinner and
>>>> >>>>>>>lighter,
>>>> >>>>>>>is
>>>> >>>>>>>probably a better recorder, and can now be connected for some 
>>>> >>>>>>>things
>>>> >>>>>>>via
>>>> >>>>>>>Wifi.  I don't find it as easy to use, and battery life isn't as
>>>> >>>>>>>good,
>>>> >>>>>but
>>>> >>>>>>>smaller.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>So, it depends on what is important to you!
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>Dave
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>> >>>>>>>From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> >>>>>>>[mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> >>>>>>>On
>>>> >>>>>>>Behalf Of Sarah
>>>> >>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:41 AM
>>>> >>>>>>>To: dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> >>>>>>>Subject: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>Hello. I have been using a Victor Reader stream for several 
>>>> >>>>>>>years. I
>>>> >>>>>would
>>>> >>>>>>>like to know the difference between the stream and the PlexTalk
>>>> >>>>>>>Pocket.
>>>> >>>>>>>Thank you.
>>>> >>>>>>>   Sarah
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
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