[Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven

Fri Dec 14 16:09:18 UTC 2012

I don't want to minimize your so called predicament, but, by now, I assume 
you have adjusted to the situation quite well. It really could be worse.
At the time I visited my relatives in Manhattan, and I was young then, I was 
getting used to the way the oven had to be lighted.
I never implied that you don't have to fight for your rights when it comes 
to renting, but I am just saying that a person has to use their common 
sense.
I know sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, but, if you are in a 
situation where you have nothing to lose, and you are desperate enough, you 
will do whatever it takes, and be proud of it.
Cordially,
frida
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven


> Gerald,
> exactly. That is why I said to Andy what I said. If you ruffle feathers 
> too much, they will find an innocent way to get rid of you.
> You have to weigh the pros and cons. If you don't want to be homeless, 
> dealing with an unfair situation is often what you have to do.
>
> Sorry to hear about your predicament. Its too bad you don't have the means 
> to move out of new york.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Gerald Levy
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:57 PM
> To: Frida Aizenman ; Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>
>
> And you don't have to be blind to be harrassed by a landlord.  My landlord
> would just love to get me out of my rent-controlled apartment so that he 
> can
> rent it to someone else at three times the rent I am currently paying.
> Because I am a senior citizen at age 62, I am eligible for a permanent 
> rent
> freeze, which, of course, my landlord is not too thrilled about.  So I 
> have
> to be very careful not to ruffle his feathers, or else he might dig into 
> his
> bag of tricks to try to get me out of my apartment.  I can't really move
> elsewhere because I don't happen to have $1.2 million lying around, which 
> is
> what the typical Manhattan co-op or condo sells for these days, nor can I
> afford to pay $3000 a month for a tiny studio apartment.  And I'm not poor
> enough toqualify for Section 8 housing in a run-down, drug and crime
> infested city housing project.  And when I ask the local blind rehab
> agencies what kind of housing assistance they can offer, their response is
> always something like, "Sorry, we're not in the real estate business."  So 
> I
> have to make the best of my current situation.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frida Aizenman" <aizenman at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>
>
>>I am not sure if it is good advise to rock the boat. What I mean is that, 
>>in the seventies, I was refused rental in the Oakwood apartments in Los 
>>Angeles because another really crazy young blind person spoiled it for the 
>>rest of us. I did not take them to court only because that was the time 
>>when the government job I had for 19 years came about.
>> If the land lord doesn't want to rent to a blind person, or if they want 
>> to get rid of one, there are always ways which look perfectly innocent, 
>> but are not.
>> Frida
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>>
>>
>>> Gerald, you might want to research state and Federal housing laws as to
>>> how they deal with disability and accessibility. Some state access laws
>>> for housing are more liberal than the ADA. Don't just take the word of
>>> your landlord.  He has a vested interest in not spending any more money
>>> than he has to.  Here in CA, I have a friend who got her landlord to
>>> allow her to install a washer and dryer in her apartment because the
>>> community laundry room had machines that were not accessible to blind
>>> persons.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:46 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>>>
>>> Gerald,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know that style of oven you are talking about. Have you tried using
>>> one of the long handled butane grill lighters to light the pilot light?
>>> This way, you can find the appropriate position for the lighter with
>>> everything cold, line up the lighter, unlit, click the lighter, and then
>>> turn on the gas.
>>> This method is far safer, and more reliable than using a match.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, I'm at the mercy of my landlord as far as my kitchen oven is
>>>> concerned, so I'm stuck with a 60 year old relic from the 1950's that
>>>> actually has knobs to adjust its stove top gas burners.  But because
>>> it is
>>>> an all-gas oven, the only way to light the pilot light if I want to
>>> use
>>>> the oven itself rather than the stove top is to grope around inside
>>> with a
>>>> lighted match and try to find the pilot hole without burning my
>>> fingers or
>>>> worse, burning down my kitchen,  I have actually discussed this safety
>>>
>>>> issue with my building manager, but was told that under New York City
>>> law,
>>>> the landlord is only required to furnish his tenants with a working
>>> oven,
>>>> not necessarily a safe or accessible one. And as long as my 60 year
>>> old
>>>> relic still works, he will not replace it. So except for the stove top
>>>
>>>> burners, I do all my cooking in my microwave, toaster oven or Foreman
>>>> grill.
>>>>
>>>> Gerald
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Evelyn Weckerly" <weckerly at i2k.com>
>>>> To: <lists at braddunsemusic.com>; "Discussion of accessible electronics
>>> and
>>>> appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:51 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Brad,
>>>>>
>>>>> It has been several years now since I had to replace mine. I did buy
>>> a
>>>>> smooth top and am glad I did. The laast I knew, you could get braille
>>>
>>>>> overlays fro Whirlpool et al. I bought Maytag, which Whirlpool now
>>> owns.
>>>>> The advantage of buying the manufacturer's braille overlays is that
>>> you
>>>>> get everything labelled as the print is and therefore how the manual
>>> will
>>>>> refer to things.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a basic open coil unit for 29 years. Although I could operate
>>> most
>>>>> functions, I could not use the clock/timer and therefore had to have
>>> some
>>>>> else start the oven cleaning system. I still cannot use the
>>> clock/timer,
>>>>> but the automatic set feature on the oven means that I can press
>>> "clean"
>>>>> and then "automatic set" and the self cleaning system will run the
>>>>> default settings. Also, setting oven temperatures is more accurate if
>>> you
>>>>> press the correct buttons. The buttons are behind a screen, so
>>> braille
>>>>> labelling is really necessary. I had to get used to a smooth top too,
>>> but
>>>>> now I'd not want to go back to what I had before.
>>>>>
>>>>> GE used to make braille overlays available. They had stopped when I
>>> was
>>>>> shopping, but I have heard that they have resumed. I can't verify
>>> that
>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what your experience could be with a big box store. I
>>> bought
>>>>> my range (and several other major appliances over the last 20 years
>>> or
>>>>> so) from a local family-owned business. They were willing, in all
>>> cases,
>>>>> to hold the equipment until the labels arrived. I should mention
>>> that,
>>>>> having the labels already brailled, made the use of sighted help go
>>> much
>>>>> more quickly because we didn't have to make the labels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Evelyn
>>>>>
>>>>> At 11:25 PM 12/12/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>Hey folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Our cook top on our oven decided to  crack in three directions
>>> tonight,
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>I'm in the market for a new one. This one was inaccessible but came
>>> with
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>house 11-years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>With a need to purchase, now is my opportunity to get an accessible
>>> one.
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>am looking for any possible suggestions in  the event anyone was in a
>>>>>>similar need recently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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