[Electronics-talk] GPS in the Big City

Jim Barbour jbar at barcore.com
Thu Apr 11 18:19:05 UTC 2013 

Yes, your iTunes username and password will likely work.  If you don't
buy music in iTunes, you may also need to add a credit card to the
account.

Jim

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 01:14:59PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> jim
> 
> what is the info asked for after i hit the apps store button?
> something about a apple id and/or password?
> is this similar to a user/password for i-tunes?
> Bryan Schulz
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] GPS in the Big City
> 
> 
> >Osman,
> >
> >I'm not sure what imove is.  I googled for it and didn't find
> >anything.
> >
> >Can you enlighten us?
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:59:48AM -0400, Osman Koroma wrote:
> >>Whats the different between Blind Square and Imove?
> >>
> >>Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:48, Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey Bryan,
> >>>
> >>> I would say blind square is a really good place to start.
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:44:37AM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> >>>> hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> exactly, which one  is better for knowing what stores are close or >>
> >>what
> >>>> street you are close to?
> >>>> Bryan Schulz
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
> >>>> <chaltain at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> >>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:53 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] GPS in the Big City
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I don't think there's a consensus on the best GPS app. I'd suggest
> >>>>> giving
> >>>>> the built in Maps app, Google Maps and MapQuest a try. They're all
> >>>>> free.
> >>>>> Navigon, which is not free, also gets mentioned quite a bit. It >>>
> >>allows you
> >>>>> to download and store maps on your phone, so if you're worried about
> >>>>> data
> >>>>> costs, this is a good option.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are also half a dozen apps or more that give you additional
> >>>>> information, such as points of interest around you, nearby cross >>>
> >>streets,
> >>>>> information on public transportation and so on. Maybe you could >>>
> >>provide a
> >>>>> better idea of what you're looking for or take a look at
> >>applevis.com >>> for
> >>>>> more information on navigation apps and reviews and opinions by blind
> >>>>> users.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 04/11/2013 09:37 AM, Osman Koroma wrote:
> >>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>> Whats the best GPS app to use?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 10:32, Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't think anybody's map information includes information such
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>> if there's a sidewalk.  This problem is compounded by a lack of
> >>>>>>> information about contruction zones, etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Apps such as Google Maps will give you pedestrian routes to a
> >>>>>>> destination.
> >>>>>>> It is then up to us, as it is with a sighted pedestrian, to be
> >>>>>>> aware
> >>>>>>> of the route and any barriers pedestrians face while getting there.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 08:51:32AM -0400, Gerald Levy wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The problem with all these GPS apps and devices is that they are
> >>>>>>>> designed to
> >>>>>>>> simply give you directions for the shortest route between two
> >>>>>>>> points, not
> >>>>>>>> necessarily the safest route.  If these devices were truly >>>>>>
> >>designed
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> blind pedestrians in mind, their primary route  suggestion,
> >>>>>>>> regardless of
> >>>>>>>> length, should include only streets with sidewals or walkways
> >>that >>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>> isolated from traffic.    If no such route is available, then they
> >>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>> alert you to this fact.  When you use Google Maps to get >>>>>>
> >>directions
> >>>>>>>> between
> >>>>>>>> two points, the walking directions include a warning, if
> >>>>>>>> appropriate, that
> >>>>>>>> some parts of the trip may involve walking on highways or other
> >>>>>>>> areas that
> >>>>>>>> might be hazardous.  GPS devices designed for the blind should do
> >>>>>>>> the same.
> >>>>>>>> After all, when you work with an O&M instructor, he will usually
> >>>>>>>> recommend
> >>>>>>>> the safest route between two points even if it means walking out
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> your way
> >>>>>>>> to get to your destination.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Gerald
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione"
> >>>>>>>> <carcione at access.net>
> >>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> >>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:16 AM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] GPS in the Big City
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Occasionally, I have asked Sendero GPS to create a pedestrian
> >>>>>>>>> route,
> >>>>>>>>> hoping it would give me a non-highway way to get somewhere, and
> >>>>>>>>> it has
> >>>>>>>>> told me to walk on the highway.  NOT!
> >>>>>>>>> Tracy
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaye" >>>>>>>
> >><kayezimpher at comcast.net>
> >>>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> >>>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:01 PM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] GPS in the Big City
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I am from Atlanta, and while that is no Manhattan, I know many
> >>>>>>>>>> blind
> >>>>>>>>>> people who successfully use various gps apps on their Iphones.
> >>I >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>> only heard of one time that the gps advised a person to turn on
> >>>>>>>>>> to the
> >>>>>>>>>> highway, even though the app was in pedestrian mode. That might
> >>>>>>>>>> not have
> >>>>>>>>>> ended well if he had not know where he was going.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:37 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: Tracy Carcione ; Discussion of accessible electronics and
> >>>>>>>>>> appliances
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] GPS in the Big City
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I have used Street Talk on a Pac Mate, in the distant past, and
> >>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> Philadelphia, I had the same problems with tall buildings.\
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> At 10:49 AM 4/10/2013, you wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> I work in midtown Manhattan.  I have Sendero GPS, running on a
> >>>>>>>>>>> Braillenote PK.  I find it pretty unreliable in New York City,
> >>>>>>>>>>> probably because of the many tall buildings.  It frequently
> >>>>>>>>>>> says I'm 2
> >>>>>>>>>>> blocks away from where I know I am, and heading in a different
> >>>>>>>>>>> direction than I'm heading.  My question is, does this happen
> >>>>>>>>>>> with all
> >>>>>>>>>>> GPS in big cities, or is it because the GPS is running on a
> >>PK, >>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>> the most powerful system in the world? Would, say, IPhone GPS
> >>>>>>>>>>> be more
> >>>>>>>>>>> reliable in the big city?
> >>>>>>>>>>> I am only interested in the big city aspect.  At home, in north
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jersey, the Sendero and PK work reasonably well.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tracy
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
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