[Electronics-talk] Wanting to know if anyone has any idea about an android list like the iPhone questions list or knows anything about android phones

Sun Oct 19 18:18:08 UTC 2014

Hey Jim,

The thing iOS users need to remember is that Android doesn't equal
iOS, meaning that they're different operating systems and things ar
oftentimes done differently. For example flicking on Android uses a
much lighter touch than on iOS and much more.

To have used iOS for a long while and then try Android for a short
time isn't the way to judge the accessibility of Android. To be fair,
one would have to use Android for just as long to be able to deliver a
valid comparison between the two operating systems. Compare it to
having used a pC for along time and then trying a Mac for a short
time. Different operating systems.

There are those who use both and they report that accessibility is
equal, with some apps working better on Android while others work
better on iOS. A person should use whichever one works for them.
Choice is good.

Here's a site which is just getting started but has some good folks
behind it who are trying to provide information for a new person to
Android in one place:

http://inclusiveandroid.tk/

There are many Samsung Galaxy 5S users on the eyes-free list, and
there are a few on the vi-android list that I know of. One of those is
Armando Maldonado who switched from iOS to Android recently. He has
started doing some podcasts on his new adventure. Here's the download
link for the first two episodes:

http://www.wuala.com/TalkingMP3Players/Music/Samsung%20Galaxy%20S5.zip/

HTH,

Laz

On 10/19/14, Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com> wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
>
> I agree with Laz about the eyes free list, the community help isn't worth
> the drama. I haven't joined the vi-android list, but intend to.
>
> As background, My previous experience with Android was from about a year ago
> and was on a Nexus 7.  I felt pretty strongly then that Talkback was still
> really lagging behind Voiceover on IOS.  I wasn't doing a feature by feature
> comparison, but rather just comparing the smoothness of the non visual
> interface, the consistency of my actions producing the same results, and the
> discoverability of Talkback features.
>
> Laz, You mentioned you knew of many totally blind folks happily using the S5
> who were iPhone users.   I would love to be talked out of my position about
> TalkBack.  I would really enjoy speaking with, or reading articles by, blind
> people who are using Talkback who used to use VoiceOver.  It would be
> awesome if they  were willing to talk about how Talkback compares to
> VoiceOver. They don't have to say that Talkback is better than voiceover,
> just talk about where the differences are.
>
> Are such talkback users hanging out on the vi-android list?
>
> Thanks Very Much,
>
> Jim
>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 11:57:50AM -0400, Laz via Electronics-talk wrote:
>> Sorry, but that's quite an old tip and it wasn't true about all
>> devices not sold by Google. Current Samsung and LG devices are very
>> accessible even including more accessibility than the pure Android
>> experience such as the triple click home button to turn TalkBack on as
>> well as some very accessible apps of their own. Other manufacturers
>> are now starting to follow in their footsteps.
>>
>> There are many totally blind folks using the Sansung Galaxy S5 who
>> were originally using iOS. From what they've reported, it's very
>> accessible!
>>
>> As far as the eyes-free list is concerned, you also need to be
>> prepared for iOS bashing and being accused of being a troll if you
>> mention having used iOS or even if someone imagines that you mentioned
>> iOS. The list is unmoderated and the flames and personal attacks
>> abound. That along with the high traffic of off topic nonsense makes
>> it a list that I wouldn't recommend for someone new to Android. It has
>> turned many new people away from Android. Most of these attacks come
>> from the quote experts unquote on the list. But if you don't mind the
>> possibility of being flamed, called a moron, idiot, etc, then by all
>> means join.
>>
>> To dispel something else someone mentioned on this thread about the
>> Samsung Galaxy S5, it was someone who came on the eyes-free list who
>> was complaining about typing issues they were having on a Samsung Note
>> 4 which was due to having a defective device. Nothing to do with the
>> Samsugn Galaxy S5 at all.
>>
>> A much friendlier and moderated list is the vi-android at freelists.org
>> with a manageable amount of traffic and none of the drama. To join
>> send a blank email to vi-android-request at freelists.org with the word
>> subscribe in the subject line.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Laz
>>
>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>> To: Jenny Keller via Electronics-talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Wanting to know if anyone has any idea
>>         about an android list like the iPhone questions list or knows
>> anything
>>         about android phones
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>>
>> Here's an accessibility tip for all android devices.  If it's not a
>> google certified device, don't buy it!  The google certified devices
>> also had best not have any software on them from any other provider
>> other than google to start with since that way all of google
>> accessibility features will work the way google intended them to work.
>> When third parties put software on, it will interfere with
>> accessibility.
>>
>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2014, Jenny Keller via Electronics-talk wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > The iPhone's going back to the store. I'm having problems with
>> > voiceover. Iowa State is horrible. Including the O2 thing. And I'm not
>> > putting up with it anymore.
>> >
>> > You know that the iPhone is getting difficult for me when I'm ready to
>> > go to the android.
>> >
>> > Going to the android galaxy S5. Wanting to know if anyone uses it. If no
>> > one uses it here. Or if they are. I would like to find out the email
>> > list for the android list similar to the iPhone list.
>> >
>> > If any of you use the android five or 81. Can you please contact me even
>> > if it's off list. So that I can talk to you about it.
>> >
>> > Jenny
>>
>>
>>
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