[Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app

River Linda waterinmyroom at gmail.com
Sat Jun 27 21:38:53 UTC 2015


Did the Colorado Center confirm that they have to approve the signals?

On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Brett Boyer via Electronics-talk <
electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Yes this is true. I have a partially deaf friend who is a total. He cannot
> just "use parallel traffic" like every blindy know-it-all has told him.
> When
> he contacted the city about getting an audible traffic light for a busy
> street near his house, he was told that the city could not approve that
> until The Colorado Center for the Blind was contacted and asked if it was
> okay. I've never seen such control from the NFB. And to be honest, I didn't
> like it!
> Rhetorical question: Who gives them the right?
> bb
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
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> Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Electronics-talk
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 11:34 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Cc: Gerald Levy
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app
>
>
> And suppose, like me, you are also severely hearing impaired and cannot
> accurately determine traffic flow patterns by sound, even with high-tech
> digital hearing aids?  At least audible traffic signals provide another
> piece of information that makes crossing a busy intersection a little
> safer.
>
> It amazes me that there are actually blindness advocacy organizations that
> oppose such audible signals and have fought hard to prevent them from being
> installed.  Unbelievable.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Barbour via Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;>>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
> Cc: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com <javascript:;>>
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app
>
>
> > The real question is what do you need an audible traffic signal or an
> > iPhone app for? I generally cross intersections by relying on traffic
> > patterns, not on something to tell me the color of the light.
> >
> > Just my thought,
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Written While on the Move
> >
> >> On Jun 27, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Mike Freeman via Electronics-talk
> >> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I guess my problem is that I don't see how *simple* vibration patterns
> >> could
> >> convey enough information about complex intersections and if it were a
> >> simple go-no-go, you'd be trusting the app and/or the traffic signal to
> >> make
> >> judgment calls for you. I guess I don't trust either the iPhone or the
> >> traffic signal to get it right.
> >>
> >> I know what I shall say next is impractical. But I'd prefer a little
> >> remote
> >> that, when punched, would do the same thing emergency vehicles can do,
> >> that
> >> is, automagically turn lights green in the direction you're going. Ah,
> >> what
> >> fun!
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
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> >> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
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> >> Behalf Of Elizabeth Campbell via Electronics-talk
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 9:27 AM
> >> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
> >> Cc: Elizabeth Campbell
> >> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app
> >>
> >> Hi Mike,
> >> I do think the smart phone app is worth considering as I don't see why
> >> you
> >> would need ear buds when a developer could incorporate vibration
> patterns
>
> >> to
> >> indicate the status of the traffic signal.And of course, we have to rely
> >> on
> >> our own hearing and judgment first and foremost when crossing streets.
> >> I see this app as a tool to supplement our travel, in the same way that
> >> some
> >> use Blind Square or other GPS apps.
> >>
> >> JMO
> >>
> >> Liz
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
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> >> Behalf Of cheez via Electronics-talk
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 11:10 AM
> >> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> >> Cc: cheez
> >> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app
> >>
> >> So, I guess Phoenix isn't the only city with the audible signals that
> >> sound
> >> like a machine gun.  When I asked a person from The City why the change
> >> was
> >> made, he said a group of engineers decided that sound was better than a
> >> chirp or beep.  I told him I'd bet anything not one of them were blind
> >> nor
> >> cross intersections.  I also pointed out that those with hearing
> deficits
> >> may not be able to hear the new sound.
> >>
> >> Mike, I get what you're saying about the delay of a traffic light's
> >> information.  But perhaps the app could be launched before you leave,
> and
> >> then run in the background.
> >>
> >> As far as headphones are concerned, we may see future devices coming out
> >> with the bone-conducting headphones included.
> >>
> >> Vince
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mike Freeman via Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;>>
> >> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
> >> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
> >> Cc: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com <javascript:;>>
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:18 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi, Elizabeth.
> >>>
> >>> With respect, I beg to differ with you. By the time an app told you
> what
> >>> you
> >>> needed to know, the light would have changed. Moreover, you'd need
> >>> earbuds
> >>> or those bone-conducting headphones to hear your i-device anyway. And I
> >>> wouldn't want to be fiddling with an app at a street crossing when, in
> >>> the
> >>> end, like everyone else, I'm dependent upon my senses and my brain to
> >>> mind
> >>> its P's and Q's.
> >>>
> >>> Also, such an app and the underlying infrastructure would be way too
> >>> easy
> >>> to
> >>> hack -- not a comforting thought when my posterior is on the line.
> >>>
> >>> Mike Freeman
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;>] On
> >>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Campbell via Electronics-talk
> >>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:12 AM
> >>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
> >>> Cc: Elizabeth Campbell
> >>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app
> >>>
> >>> Hi Tracy,
> >>>
> >>> I agree that having such an app would be extremely helpful. I really
> >>> don't
> >>> like the audible signals that are currently in use, but I think a smart
> >>> phone app is a great idea.
> >>> It would also benefit us since cars are much quieter now. Also, we have
> >>> to
> >>> contend with annoying, turning traffic.
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>>
> >>> Liz
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
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> >>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk
> >>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 10:00 AM
> >>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
> >>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
> >>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app
> >>>
> >>> Someone said they'd heard about work on an app to identify when a
> >>> traffic
> >>> light was walk or don't walk.  Anyone know any more about this?  I keep
> >>> thinking how useful that would be.  As I'm getting older, I don't hear
> >>> the
> >>> traffic changes as well as I used to.  And an app seems a lot cheaper
> >>> than
> >>> putting in audible signals.  And I keep hearing about traffic signals
> >>> having
> >>> all kinds of "smart" things built in, so maybe an app could build on
> >>> something already there.
> >>>
> >>> Tracy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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