[Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!

[David Diamond]

It was an adventure to say the least and one person not on this list did think I was nuts.  But, you have to do what you have to do and as mentioned, I was helping a fellow student.  

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From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-Talk
Sent: January 7, 2020 7:23 AM
To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!

I've never crossed a street that has that many lanes!  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jenny Perdue via Electronics-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 4:18 AM
To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
Cc: Jenny Perdue
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!

Wow, you are much braver than me :-) maybe when I was younger and had a little bit more site. Now, no way.

That is totally awesome that you can do that. I just like the fact that they can tell you if you are veering. That’s worth the money right there.

Jenny

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2020, at 6:44 PM, David Diamond via Electronics-Talk 
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I have crossed a street in Flushing New York.  It was I would guess a 
> 16 lane crossing.  All I know was it was close to the JFK airport.  
> There is no way I would trust someone using my iPhone camera to guide 
> me across the street.
>
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> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf 
> of Mike via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:50:34 AM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances' 
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Mike <m6795556 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!
>
> As a totally blind person I have crossed thousands of streets in many 
> city's! And my opinion is no blind person can  know 100% of the time 
> when is the right time to leave right at the beginning of a walk cycle!
> Sometimes there is to many things going on in an intersection. My 
> favorite is a driver running a red light making me think I now have 
> the walk signal! A Aira agent is not supposed to guess if he can see 
> that walk signal, mine did. That is what I wanted everyone to know.
> Mike
>
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> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf 
> Of Lori Motis via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 10:19 AM
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> Cc: Lori Motis <ljm2561 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!
>
> yes, I agree whole heartedly. I also know that when I signed up for 
> their services I had to agree that I would not use them or count on 
> them for any mobility skills especially crossing the street. We should 
> only use other services to assist us with vision but it is up to us to 
> know when it is safe to cross a street or not.
> Lori
>
>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Jenny Perdue via Electronics-Talk 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Aira is not a substitute for your own mobility skills. It was never 
>> meant to be that.
>>
>> If you have issues crossing the street, anyone, including me. It is 
>> not Iris responsibility to make sure your mobility skills are right. 
>> If you’re not coming trouble crossing the street, don’t. Aira or not.
>>
>> Jenny
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>>> On Dec 21, 2019, at 10:45 PM, David Andrews via Electronics-Talk 
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally I don't think you should be using Aira this way. 
>>>>> Initially they wouldn't do that kind of thing, I guess they have 
>>>>> changed -- and I think it is dangerous. They have no control over 
>>>>> where you are looking,so it would be easy to miss something, nor 
>>>>> not be able to see it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> At 06:25 AM 12/21/2019, you wrote:
>>>>> Warning about using Aira & street crossing!
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been using Aira for over 1 year now. Sometimes an Aira 
>>>>> agent can see the walk signal & sometimes not. When they cannot 
>>>>> the agent tells me & then I point the camera at the traffic signal 
>>>>> & not the walk signal. This was working!
>>>>>
>>>>> Not this time. The Aira agent said I had the walk signal. I heard 
>>>>> no moving traffic. So, I put 1 foot out in the street & wiz a car 
>>>>> went across my path
>>>>> 2 lanes away. I pulled my foot back & to more cars went right 
>>>>> where my foot was!
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously that Aira agent could not see the walk signal. Bad 
>>>>> information is worse than no information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I did report that to Aira. Because I could have died, I just 
>>>>> wanted you to know for your safety. Sometimes I cannot tell if I 
>>>>> have the walk signal because of noises or a lack of traffic flow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
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