[Faith-talk] predestination

[Frank Lordi]

This is a very interesting topic.

Now to me, predestination is not logical.  

Let me elaborate
We know God is good and loving.  
This seems to clash with the idea that some individuals are created for hell.

We know that men and angels have free will. 
Thus is our destiny not up to our choices, rather than some pre-set script?

Also important to note, we often forget that God exists outside of time.  So it must be considered that He knows all past, present, and future.  Thus God knows before our birth, what road we will choose in life.  This is how it was assured that Christ's sacrifice would not be in vein.  

Now i'm tempted to go off into more on the particular and anticedent<sp> will of God and other funs tuff but i do not want to end up in tangent land, so i will simply wrap things up here.

My over all point is that IMO predestination does not fit with logic and or what we know of God himself.


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Stefan Slucki <sslucki at chariot.net.au> wrote:

> From: Stefan Slucki <sslucki at chariot.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] predestination
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:39 AM
> Hi Antonio and list members,
> 
> Well Antonio, it absolutely does matter about what we think
> about and how we respond to this matter, in my
> understanding.
> 
> I understand that God's Word Reveals to us two sides of
> the Salvation coin. God's Side -- Predestination also
> called Foreordination and man's side i.e. responding in
> personal faith-trust to the Gracious Invitation of Jesus
> "whosoever will let him come to me" "whoever
> comes to me I will never drive away" [or cast out].
> 
> Different branches of the church emphasise either of these
> "sides".
> 
> For me, if God, in Christ, "died for all the
> world" every individual but has absolutely left the
> initiative (the first move) towards Salvation to man, then
> it's theoretically possible that Jesus Died for nothing
> and no one.
> 
> However, before He suffered and died on the cross, He
> repeatedly thanked the Father for Giving Him a People and
> Affirmed that He would Securely Accomplish their Salvation.
> 
> As has been said on list, already, read your Bible
> carefully and prayerfully and see which statements support
> these two "sides".
> 
> Whichever position a Christian holds (and we are all
> somewhat inconsistent at points) the question we must
> firstly settle with the Lord for ourselves and direct our
> searching or unsaved friends to answer is:  if I am a guilty
> sinner before a Holy God, how can I be acquitted of my guilt
> for my sin?
> 
> The answer is, of course, by throwing ourselves on
> God's Mercy in Christ, trusting Jesus' Promises of
> Forgiveness and Life and showing evidence of that trust by
> repenting of our sin.
> 
> I hope that is as helpful a reflection to you on this
> fascinating doctrine as it was for me when I first came to
> grips with it.
> 
> Stefan Slucki. 
> 
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