[Faith-talk] False Accusations
Julie C. Vogt
jcvogt at pressenter.com
Mon Nov 10 17:06:51 UTC 2008
Agreed. Look up fornication and see what it says. And if there is sex
outside of marriage, the woman will always pay before the man does,
President Clinton being the one public exception I've seen. He complained
that people disrespected his wife while she was running for President. But
who was the one to disrespect her first? Him. During the Democrat
convention, the thing that struck me the funniest was when he was walking up
to speak, they were playing "Chain of Fools." When he finished his speech,
what were they playing? Robert Palmer's song, "Addicted to Love." That was
a hoot. He was a good President, but even good Presidents can disgrace the
country.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
> All sex out side of marriage is a sin in the bible.
> The biggest sexual sin the church needs to deal with from with in side the
> church is premarital sex.
> And extra marital sex.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BMW" <lynnwhite51 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>
>
>> Beth, sex outside of the relationship between a husband and wife is a
>> sin.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>; "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith
>> and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>
>>
>>> Okay, if homosexuality is a sin, guess what? What about the
>>> homosexuals who have homosexual relations with each other and cannot
>>> be attracted to opposite sex members? I again may mention that I have
>>> friends who are gay/lesbian. And I am pleased with Obama in the white
>>> house. God knows what's best, and I believe in a God who loves all,
>>> and God knows that homosexuality is a sin, but it is a sin between
>>> those who can physically have someone of the opposite sex along with
>>> being attracted with someone of the opposite sex. Take my
>>> ex-boyfriend for instance. He likes women, but if he went to sleep
>>> with a young college friend of mine who I know is attracted to girls,
>>> THAT is a sin. But if my friend who is lesbian went to sleep with the
>>> equally lesbian girlfriend, it is not a sin. We must love everybody
>>> unconditionally, and we must not say that they are committing a sin
>>> unless they really are and have the brain chemicals made up so that
>>> they are attracted to someone of the opposite sex. I am attracted to
>>> menh, so if I went to sleep with my college roommate, for instance,
>>> that would be a in in itself. I am blind, and if I married a blind
>>> man, that would be fine. But the way this country and the bible seems
>>> to be interpreted, homosexuality would be stomped out and next will be
>>> blindness. Before we know it, our listservs will be in jeopardy, an
>>> then, we wouldn't be able to marry, write, read, go to college, and if
>>> the Terrorists get our country, and that is if Barack Obama's not
>>> watching over us, we will be wearing veils if we're female. I for one
>>> do not want any ore arguments about homosexuality to ever pop up again
>>> on this listserv. I want to play it straight: it may be a sin, but
>>> unfortunately, nobody understands the homosexual cannot be changed if
>>> they are truly homosexual. I understand my friends, and they are good
>>> people. They are going to college and they are going to be band and
>>> chorus teachers. Do you people thin that these girls I'm friends with
>>> shouldn't be band and chorus teachers to young children because they
>>> are homosexuals? According to the weird article I read, yes. But I'd
>>> hire them any time.
>>> Anyway, that's my soap box for today.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 11/9/08, Frank Lordi <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> you are speakin gof the concept of 'blood guilt'?
>>>>
>>>> This so often brought grief to Isreal, no?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Corey Cook <ccook01 at knology.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Corey Cook <ccook01 at knology.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:44 PM
>>>>> Homosexuality is sin.
>>>>> Read Romans 1
>>>>> read first Corinthians 6
>>>>> Yes we need to love them just as we love all sinners, but
>>>>> it is time to call it what it is, and that is sin!
>>>>> It is a sin that will be the end of this country if we
>>>>> allow it to be accepted and embraced.
>>>>> Not a popular thought, but a true one.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Wheeler"
>>>>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:29 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Never mind. I keep telling you it is called a sin in
>>>>> the bible...if you don't want to believe that God calls
>>>>> it a sin, I can't say anything to sway you.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > +-+-+-
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none
>>>>> beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
>>>>> > 1 Samuel 2:2
>>>>> > ~~~
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Alan D Wheeler
>>>>> > awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>>>> > IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>>>> > Skype: redwheel1
>>>>> > Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM to 1 PM
>>>>> eastern time at www.theqonline.net
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth"
>>>>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>> > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:41 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> We're talking about a country where not
>>>>> everybody believes in God. We
>>>>> >> Christians are shoving God down the throats of
>>>>> those who don't know
>>>>> >> him. We need to pray for the homosexuals and
>>>>> those who are
>>>>> >> experiencing a so-called sin ad we need to be
>>>>> nicer to these people
>>>>> >> for God's own sake.
>>>>> >> Beth
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>>>>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>> At the same time, homosexuality is called a
>>>>> sin and abomination by God. So
>>>>> >>> you think we should allow people to continue
>>>>> to sin against God?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> +-+-+-
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We know that all things work together for
>>>>> good for those who love God, to
>>>>> >>> those
>>>>> >>> who are called according to his purpose.
>>>>> >>> Romans 8:28
>>>>> >>> ~~~
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Alan D Wheeler
>>>>> >>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>>>> >>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>>>> >>> Skype: redwheel1
>>>>> >>> Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM to 1
>>>>> PM eastern time at
>>>>> >>> www.theqonline.net
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> From: "Beth"
>>>>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of
>>>>> faith and religion"
>>>>> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:44 AM
>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> I would have toagree with Julie. Marriage
>>>>> is about love, not
>>>>> >>>> procreative reasons only. I've known
>>>>> friends who've gotten married as
>>>>> >>>> nonprocreative peoples. Also, has anybody
>>>>> thought that marriage
>>>>> >>>> should at least be for those that can
>>>>> participate in it as well?
>>>>> >>>> Also, if we have bans on same-sex
>>>>> marriage, think of it this way: we
>>>>> >>>> are forcing religion on the people, which
>>>>> God really doesn't want us
>>>>> >>>> to do. To be Christ-like is not to shove
>>>>> God down the throats of
>>>>> >>>> those who don't know him, but to
>>>>> spread God's love to them, to let
>>>>> >>>> them be free people.
>>>>> >>>> Beth
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>>>>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> Beth,
>>>>> >>>>> I gently disagree with you. Marriage
>>>>> was designed by God to be between a
>>>>> >>>>> man and a woman. Don't take issue
>>>>> because I said it. Study the Bible
>>>>> >>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>> if you still don't like it, then
>>>>> you have to take it up with God. It was
>>>>> >>>>> His idea to begin with, not man's.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> +-+-+-
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> The LORD is my strength and song,
>>>>> and he is become my salvation: he is
>>>>> >>>>> my
>>>>> >>>>> God, and I will prepare him an
>>>>> >>>>> habitation; my father's God, and
>>>>> I will exalt him.
>>>>> >>>>> Exodus 15:2
>>>>> >>>>> ~~~
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Alan D Wheeler
>>>>> >>>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>>>> >>>>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>>>> >>>>> Skype: redwheel1
>>>>> >>>>> Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10
>>>>> AM to 1 PM eastern time at
>>>>> >>>>> www.theqonline.net
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>>>> From: "Beth"
>>>>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the
>>>>> discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> >>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:29
>>>>> AM
>>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False
>>>>> Accusations
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> I don't care if Obama's
>>>>> half-black. God's people will come to
>>>>> >>>>>> understand a few things:
>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Marriage, for example, is not
>>>>> between "one man and one woman". It
>>>>> >>>>>> is between two able parties, same
>>>>> o different sex, that are actually
>>>>> >>>>>> willing to stay together. Our
>>>>> high divorce rate of heterosexual
>>>>> >>>>>> couples mostly is bad for our
>>>>> children herein America.
>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Abortion should never happen.
>>>>> If it's something that has to do
>>>>> >>>>>> with the mother's life and
>>>>> health, then that's the only exception.
>>>>> >>>>>> But rape and birth control reasons
>>>>> are not good ones.
>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Blind people can and wwill have
>>>>> equal rights to vote, gain security
>>>>> >>>>>> benefits, and so on. Yes,
>>>>> Obama's the most liberal, but we need him.
>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe he's a lot more
>>>>> Christian than Bush was. But God's people must
>>>>> >>>>>> not be against him. I'm a
>>>>> Catholic, and I'm also a liberal as well.
>>>>> >>>>>> Obama has also beat Kennedy by so
>>>>> many years. ANything having to do
>>>>> >>>>>> with race is out as far as I'm
>>>>> concerned. Next, what will happen when
>>>>> >>>>>> a woman is in the White House?
>>>>> What about a blind woman? lol
>>>>> >>>>>> Beth
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/8/08, Linda Mentink
>>>>> <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Julie,
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sorry, too. I'm
>>>>> not against our president elect because he's
>>>>> >>>>>>> black. Fact is, he's half
>>>>> black. That's neither here nor
>>>>> >>>>>>> there. It's mainly
>>>>> because he's the most liberal of all in Congress,
>>>>> >>>>>>> and I believe that a lot of
>>>>> our rights will be taken away once he is
>>>>> >>>>>>> sworn in. We'll see what
>>>>> happens, but I'm praying for him, and all
>>>>> >>>>>>> the rest in authority over us.
>>>>> I sent those things to you because I
>>>>> >>>>>>> knew you wouldn't find out
>>>>> from the mainstream media. But the
>>>>> >>>>>>> election has made history, and
>>>>> God's people need to be more vigilent
>>>>> >>>>>>> than
>>>>> >>>>>>> ever.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Linda
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> At 03:33 PM 11/8/2008, you
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>> It happened by accident.
>>>>> When you didn't stop attacking in my
>>>>> >>>>>>>> in-box--those of you who
>>>>> did it--people of other races by way of our
>>>>> >>>>>>>> new President-elect, I
>>>>> wrote what I wrote. Now you know how false
>>>>> >>>>>>>> accusations hurt
>>>>> everybody. Because of one man the African-American
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Church, and people who
>>>>> attend them, have been under tremendous
>>>>> >>>>>>>> attack ever since last
>>>>> March with no let-up. Ever since I began
>>>>> >>>>>>>> attending and became saved
>>>>> in African-American churches in 1972,
>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've heard dirty,
>>>>> dirty comments like: "they just do in their
>>>>> >>>>>>>> church what they did in
>>>>> the slave days." In the slave days,
>>>>> >>>>>>>> African-Americans
>>>>> weren't permitted to know anything of the Bible
>>>>> >>>>>>>> but "Servants obey
>>>>> your masters in the Lord for this is right.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> If people say what people
>>>>> have said about one another's churches
>>>>> >>>>>>>> ever since last March,
>>>>> referring to us as blind people, we'd be up
>>>>> >>>>>>>> in arms. Let us all be
>>>>> more careful.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> It hit me like a
>>>>> thunderbolt while I was playing piano at a senior
>>>>> >>>>>>>> citizens building today
>>>>> why you all were upset. And as upset as you
>>>>> >>>>>>>> were last Thursday night,
>>>>> Linda, I was that upset one month ago when
>>>>> >>>>>>>> I read what you
>>>>> particularly sent me privately at 5:00 on a Sunday
>>>>> >>>>>>>> morning while I was
>>>>> getting ready for church. I'm sorry and maybe
>>>>> >>>>>>>> we can understand one
>>>>> another better now.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> has been
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Loyalty to petrified
>>>>> opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>>>>> >>>>>>>> human soul," American
>>>>> Humorist Mark Twain
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> "An attack on one of
>>>>> us is an attack on all of us," Dr. Kenneth
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jernigan, Immediate Past
>>>>> President, National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> "A brother offended
>>>>> is harder to be won than a strong city: and
>>>>> >>>>>>>> their contentions are like
>>>>> the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19. KJV
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Faith is the ability
>>>>> to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> "No one can do it for
>>>>> us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation Push,
>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1976.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> "With proper
>>>>> training, development, and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>> >>>>>>>> be reduced to the level of
>>>>> a physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>>>>> >>>>>>>> the Late Dr. Kenneth
>>>>> Jernigan, Past President, National Federation
>>>>> >>>>>>>> of the Blind.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Julie Vogt or
>>>>> jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
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